Wat Dhammakaya

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by exonesion » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:26 am

GrahamR wrote:Hi

I would agree, it's certainly not regular Buddhist as I know it, and has many similarities to Christian sects: offers of heaven coupled with threats of hell, a strong emphasis on financial matters etc.

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They did mention that rebirth into those planes depend on the store of merits everyone have.
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by appicchato » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:30 am

Being an uncountable noun, it's 'merit', not 'merits'...minor, I know, although it seems (to me) to alter the meaning... :focus:

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Post by farmer » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:54 pm

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This photo essay on Wat Dhammakaya is stunning.

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Post by tiltbillings » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:00 am

farmer wrote:http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... d?page=0,1

This photo essay on Wat Dhammakaya is stunning.
Stunningly frightening, and the central building remarkably ugly.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by Goofaholix » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:40 am

tiltbillings wrote:
This photo essay on Wat Dhammakaya is stunning.
Stunningly frightening, and the central building remarkably ugly.
If I believe the local real estate agent advertising every second house in my city is stunning.

Perhaps the electrical wiring isn't so good.
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by tiltbillings » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:51 am

This sort of overly regimented, mass display has been a favorite of Nazi Germany and various Communist regimes. There is simply something very wrong with this.

But at least we know know where this flying saucer is now:

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>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by alan » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:52 am

Ok, Halemalu, I have a specific question. Will you please describe the meditation technique advocated by this group, and why you believe it is beneficial.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by Euclid » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:19 am

tiltbillings wrote:This sort of overly regimented, mass display has been a favorite of Nazi Germany and various Communist regimes.
Criticising this group is one thing, but let's at least try and keep the rhetoric sensible.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by tiltbillings » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:52 am

Euclid wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:This sort of overly regimented, mass display has been a favorite of Nazi Germany and various Communist regimes.
Criticising this group is one thing, but let's at least try and keep the rhetoric sensible.
Look at the imagery of the massive regimented ceremony. That has nothing to do with the Dhamma, but it has everything to do with the aggrandizement of Dhammakaya organization, and where would you find anything comparable in imagery to those photos?

I am not saying that the Dhammakaya organization is Nazi or Communist in its ideology, but I am saying that such regimentation is an expression of power of an organization over large numbers of human beings. It is a form of muscle flexing.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by Euclid » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:04 am

Right then, thanks for clarifying. I agree.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by alan » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:05 am

I would not have used the references, but have to agree with tilt on his general assessment.
Huge groups of people wearing identical outfits standing in large columns just freaks me out. Maybe it is just my individualist tendencies speaking here, but I don't trust any mass movement.

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Wat Dhammakaya

Post by GrahamR » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:09 am

alan wrote:Ok, Halemalu, I have a specific question. Will you please describe the meditation technique advocated by this group, and why you believe it is beneficial.
Butting in on this point, as I recall they follow the breath to their centre (stomach) rather than just at the nose as I was trained to in our tradition, I think you were meant to visualize a sphere there. Personally, I don't object to this and have been taught the same technique by a Japanese teacher previously.

I live in southern Thailand and yesterday evening was talking to my neighbour who has just been on a business trip to the coast. We were discussing Dhamma Kaya and she agreed it is a more a business than a devout organisation. She also said she had seen a 'holiday camp' for their monks who were enjoying activities such as speed boating.
I don't find this group sinister as such, simply financially rather than spiritually orientated.
With metta :bow:
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by tiltbillings » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:13 am

GrahamR wrote:I don't find this group sinister as such, simply financially rather than spiritually orientated.
Money is power, and power . . . .
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Wat Dhammakaya

Post by GrahamR » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:19 am

tiltbillings wrote:I am not saying that the Dhammakaya organization is Nazi or Communist in its ideology, but I am saying that such regimentation is an expression of power of an organization over large numbers of human beings. It is a form of muscle flexing.
I would add that things at Dhamma Kaya are heavily regimented with 'worshippers' in neat rows segregated between men and women. It's not like visiting a normal Thai wat which is a family activity for me. I really don't enjoy the feeling of 'control'
With metta :bow:
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Post by EmptyShadow » Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:06 pm

Graham, just to let you know that your avatar is little too big and it cuts off the beginning of the sentences on your posts.

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