Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base... NOT

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Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base... NOT

Post by rightviewftw » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:46 pm

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DooDoot wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:44 am
Nibbana was known by the mind of the Buddha. It is not a concept and can only be known via the mind sense base.

How else can Nibbana be experienced, if not via one of the six sense bases?

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"The statements; 'With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media is it the case that there is anything else?' '.. is it the case that there is not anything else .. is it the case that there both is & is not anything else .. is it the case that there neither is nor is not anything else?' objectify non-objectification. However far the six contact-media go, that is how far objectification goes."

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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base?

Post by cappuccino » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:48 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'

Jhana Sutta

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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base?

Post by rightviewftw » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:51 pm

i would think no based on this passage;
The Sixfold Base

48. Saying, "Good, friend," the bhikkhus delighted and rejoiced in the Venerable Sariputta's words. Then they asked him a further question: "But, friend, might there be another way in which a noble disciple is one of right view... and has arrived at this true Dhamma?" — "There might be, friends.

49. "When, friends, a noble disciple understands the sixfold base, the origin of the sixfold base, the cessation of the sixfold base, and the way leading to the cessation of the sixfold base, he is one of right view... and has arrived at this true Dhamma.

50. "And what is the sixfold base, what is the origin of the sixfold base, what is the cessation of the sixfold base, what is the way leading to the cessation of the sixfold base? There are these six bases: the eye-base, the ear-base, the nose-base, the tongue-base, the body-base, the mind-base. With the arising of Name&Form there is the arising of the sixfold base. With the cessation of Name&Form there is the cessation of the sixfold base. The way leading to the cessation of the sixfold base is just this Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view... right concentration.

51. "When a noble disciple has thus understood the sixfold base, the origin of the sixfold base, the cessation of the sixfold base, and the way leading to the cessation of the sixfold base... he here and now makes an end of suffering. In that way too a noble disciple is one of right view... and has arrived at this true Dhamma."
“This, bhikkhu, is a designation for the element of Nibbāna: the removal of lust, the removal of hatred, the removal of delusion. The destruction of the taints is spoken of in that way.”

When this was said, that bhikkhu said to the Blessed One: “Venerable sir, it is said, ‘the Deathless, the Deathless.’ What now, venerable sir, is the Deathless? What is the path leading to the Deathless?”


“The destruction of lust, the destruction of hatred, the destruction of delusion: this is called the Deathless. This Noble Eightfold Path is the path leading to the Deathless; that is, right view … right concentration.”
9. “And what, Ānanda, is the path, the way to the abandoning of the five lower fetters? [...]
He turns his mind away from those states [436] and directs it towards the deathless element thus: ‘This is the peaceful, this is the sublime, that is, the stilling of all formations, the relinquishing of all attachments, the destruction of craving, dispassion, cessation, Nibbāna.’
So directing mind to Deathless means that by means of the Noble Eightfold Path the cessation of Mindbase is realized and Nibbana Attained.
How to meditate: Anapanasati, Satipatthana.
Intro to General Semantics
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"The statements; 'With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media is it the case that there is anything else?' '.. is it the case that there is not anything else .. is it the case that there both is & is not anything else .. is it the case that there neither is nor is not anything else?' objectify non-objectification. However far the six contact-media go, that is how far objectification goes."

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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base?

Post by rightviewftw » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:57 pm

Nowhere in the Tipitaka is it stated the Nibbana is experienced via one of the six sense bases.
DooDoot wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:44 am
Nibbana was known by the mind of the Buddha. It is not a concept and can only be known via the mind sense base.

How else can Nibbana be experienced, if not via one of the six sense bases?

:popcorn:
you should make up your mind if it is only via the mind or via any one of the six sense bases.
How to meditate: Anapanasati, Satipatthana.
Intro to General Semantics
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Parallel Dhammapada Reading
Chinese to Eng Dhp
"The statements; 'With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media is it the case that there is anything else?' '.. is it the case that there is not anything else .. is it the case that there both is & is not anything else .. is it the case that there neither is nor is not anything else?' objectify non-objectification. However far the six contact-media go, that is how far objectification goes."

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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base?

Post by cappuccino » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:00 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:57 pm
Nowhere in the Tipitaka is it stated the Nibbana is experienced via one of the six sense bases.
or perhaps you glossed over it

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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base?

Post by rightviewftw » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:03 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:00 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:57 pm
Nowhere in the Tipitaka is it stated the Nibbana is experienced via one of the six sense bases.
or perhaps you glossed over it
perhaps you can find it or be silent
How to meditate: Anapanasati, Satipatthana.
Intro to General Semantics
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Parallel Dhammapada Reading
Chinese to Eng Dhp
"The statements; 'With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media is it the case that there is anything else?' '.. is it the case that there is not anything else .. is it the case that there both is & is not anything else .. is it the case that there neither is nor is not anything else?' objectify non-objectification. However far the six contact-media go, that is how far objectification goes."

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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base?

Post by cappuccino » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:04 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:03 pm
cappuccino wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:00 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:57 pm
Nowhere in the Tipitaka is it stated the Nibbana is experienced via one of the six sense bases.
or perhaps you glossed over it
perhaps you can find it or be silent
I already said so above

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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base?

Post by Aloka » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:06 pm

Hi rightviewftw,

Its possible that having a look at chapter 7 "Attending to the Deathless" in the book "The Island - An Anthology of the Buddha's Teachings on Nibbana" by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro might be helpful.

https://www.abhayagiri.org/books/451-the-island

With kind regards,

Aloka :anjali:
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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base? Nope it is not.

Post by rightviewftw » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:07 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:04 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:03 pm
cappuccino wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:00 pm


or perhaps you glossed over it
perhaps you can find it or be silent
I already said so above
inclines mind to deathless is the same as inclines mind to cessation of mind base silly
Find me a passage saying Nibbana is experinced at mind base.
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How to meditate: Anapanasati, Satipatthana.
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Parallel Dhammapada Reading
Chinese to Eng Dhp
"The statements; 'With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media is it the case that there is anything else?' '.. is it the case that there is not anything else .. is it the case that there both is & is not anything else .. is it the case that there neither is nor is not anything else?' objectify non-objectification. However far the six contact-media go, that is how far objectification goes."

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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base? Now that would be heresy

Post by rightviewftw » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:09 pm

Aloka wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:06 pm
Hi rightviewftw,

Its possible that having a look at chapter 7 "Attending to the Deathless" in the book "The Island - An Anthology of the Buddha's Teachings on Nibbanna" by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro might be helpful.

https://www.abhayagiri.org/books/451-the-island

With kind regards,

Aloka :anjali:
i prefer using The Tipitaka
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How to meditate: Anapanasati, Satipatthana.
Intro to General Semantics
Factors & Perceptions

Parallel Dhammapada Reading
Chinese to Eng Dhp
"The statements; 'With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media is it the case that there is anything else?' '.. is it the case that there is not anything else .. is it the case that there both is & is not anything else .. is it the case that there neither is nor is not anything else?' objectify non-objectification. However far the six contact-media go, that is how far objectification goes."

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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base?

Post by cappuccino » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:09 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:07 pm
cappuccino wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:04 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:03 pm

perhaps you can find it or be silent
I already said so above
inclines mind to deathless is the same as inclines mind to cessation of mind base silly
Find me a passage saying Nibbana is experinced at mind base.
I found you the truth, you are not satisfied

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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base? Don't be silly

Post by rightviewftw » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:12 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:09 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:07 pm
cappuccino wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:04 pm


I already said so above
inclines mind to deathless is the same as inclines mind to cessation of mind base silly
Find me a passage saying Nibbana is experinced at mind base.
I found you the truth, you are not satisfied
lol
The way leading to the cessation of the sixfold base is just this Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view... right concentration.
This Noble Eightfold Path is the path leading to the Deathless; that is, right view … right concentration.”
He turns his mind away from those states [436] and directs it towards the deathless element thus: ‘This is the peaceful, this is the sublime, that is, the stilling of all formations, the relinquishing of all attachments, the destruction of craving, dispassion, cessation, Nibbāna.’
Also that which is called mind is not same as a mind-base my silly friend
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How to meditate: Anapanasati, Satipatthana.
Intro to General Semantics
Factors & Perceptions

Parallel Dhammapada Reading
Chinese to Eng Dhp
"The statements; 'With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media is it the case that there is anything else?' '.. is it the case that there is not anything else .. is it the case that there both is & is not anything else .. is it the case that there neither is nor is not anything else?' objectify non-objectification. However far the six contact-media go, that is how far objectification goes."

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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base?

Post by Aloka » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:13 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:09 pm
Aloka wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:06 pm
Hi rightviewftw,

Its possible that having a look at chapter 7 "Attending to the Deathless" in the book "The Island - An Anthology of the Buddha's Teachings on Nibbana" by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro might be helpful.

https://www.abhayagiri.org/books/451-the-island

With kind regards,

Aloka :anjali:
i prefer using The Tipitaka

Okey dokey.


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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base? Nope it is not.

Post by Dhammanando » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:06 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:07 pm
Find me a passage saying Nibbana is experinced at mind base.
In the exposition of the āyatanas in the Abhidhamma Piṭaka's Vibhaṅga the unconditioned element is included in dhammāyatana:
Tattha katamaṃ dhammāyatanaṃ? Vedanākkhandho, saññākkhandho, saṅkhārakkhandho, yañca rūpaṃ anidassanaappaṭighaṃ dhammāyatanapariyāpannaṃ, asaṅkhatā ca dhātu.

Therein what is the ideational-base? The aggregate of feeling, aggregate of perception, aggregate of volitional activities, that invisible non-impingent form included in the ideational base; and the unconditioned element.

What then could cognize it if not manāyatana? To propose another āyatana would be to make Nibbāna into a visible object, sound, taste, odour or tangible. To propose an agent of cognition outside the āyatanas would be to posit another "all".

https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/vb2

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Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base?

Post by markandeya » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:10 pm

Aloka wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:06 pm
Hi rightviewftw,

Its possible that having a look at chapter 7 "Attending to the Deathless" in the book "The Island - An Anthology of the Buddha's Teachings on Nibbana" by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro might be helpful.

https://www.abhayagiri.org/books/451-the-island

With kind regards,

Aloka :anjali:
Hi Aloka

Its a great book, very well written.

:anjali:

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