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list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:52 am

http://evolutionarycollective.com/the-n ... -a-sangha/

'smh' by the way means 'shaking my head'
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Re: list wrong views that, figuratively, give you cancer

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:56 am

"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
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Re: list wrong views that, figuratively, give you cancer

Post by chownah » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:04 pm

An open invitation to be disrespectful?
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Re: list wrong views that, figuratively, give you cancer

Post by Aloka » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:20 pm

list wrong views that, figuratively, give you cancer
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Re: list wrong views that, figuratively, give you cancer

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:42 am

disrespectful how
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Re: list wrong views that, figuratively, give you cancer

Post by Justsit » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:45 am

Sovatthika wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:42 am
disrespectful how
Your second post shows blank for me, and I can't speak for Chownah, but I'm guessing your use of the phrase "figuratively give you cancer" might come across as a bit insolent to a person who actually has cancer, or has a loved on with cancer.
Just sayin'.

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Post by Dhammarakkhito » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:07 am

many figures of speech have offensive origins. well, my intention wasn't to make fun of people with cancer.
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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by Garrib » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:52 am

smh at the view that killing other beings leads to rebirth in heaven.

smh at the view that sex equals happiness.

smh at the view that there is no kamma, no rebirth, and no result of generosity...

smdh

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Post by Aloka » Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:45 pm

Garrib wrote:smh at the view that killing other beings leads to rebirth in heaven.

smh at the view that sex equals happiness.

smh at the view that there is no kamma, no rebirth, and no result of generosity...

smdh

Bewildered by abbrevations like 'smh' or 'smdh' in a discussion forum topic.....or am I in the wrong place and its someone's text message ?


:shrug:

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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by bodom » Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:26 pm

Aloka wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:45 pm
Garrib wrote:smh at the view that killing other beings leads to rebirth in heaven.

smh at the view that sex equals happiness.

smh at the view that there is no kamma, no rebirth, and no result of generosity...

smdh

Bewildered by abbrevations like 'smh' or 'smdh' in a discussion forum topic.....or am I in the wrong place and its someone's text message ?


:shrug:
smh = shaking my head :shrug:
smdh = shaking my damn head :shrug:

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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by Aloka » Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:54 pm

Bodom wrote:
smh = shaking my head :shrug:
smdh = shaking my damn head :shrug:

Not so easy to understand for people who don't have English as their first language.

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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by L.N. » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:30 pm

The view that judging others' views is the proper focus.
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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by bodom » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:50 pm

Aloka wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:54 pm
Bodom wrote:
smh = shaking my head :shrug:
smdh = shaking my damn head :shrug:

Not so easy to understand for people who don't have English as their first language.

:anjali:
Glad I could help.

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To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by DNS » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:05 pm

The view that "all paths lead to the same mountaintop."

Buddhism holds that anyone can get to heaven leading a moral life and precepts from any religion, but the ultimate Nibbana is through the Buddhist path of Right View.

All roads lead to Everest base camp, but from there, Buddhism is the only route to the summit.

Some paths are going in the opposite direction, for example, those that advocate violence, especially against innocent ones.

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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by Garrib » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:53 pm

L.N. wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:30 pm
The view that judging others' views is the proper focus.
Very true - how much time and effort do we waste doing that?

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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by perkele » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:06 pm

bodom wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:50 pm
Aloka wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:54 pm
Not so easy to understand for people who don't have English as their first language.

:anjali:
Glad I could help.

:namaste:
Is not she who asked that an Englishwoman? But thou hast helped me.
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The view of a mushroom cloud from 2 kilometers away. *smh*
Ariyapariyesana Sutta wrote:(Upaka the Ajivaka)
"'From your claims, my friend, you must be an infinite conqueror.'

(The Buddha)
  • 'Conquerors are those like me
    who have reached fermentations' end.
    I've conquered evil qualities,
    and so, Upaka, I'm a conqueror.'
"When this was said, Upaka said, 'May it be so, my friend, (*smh*)' and — shaking his head, taking a side-road — he left.


But... srsly... I think this thread here is a bit... *smh*

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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by L.N. » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:45 am

DNS wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:05 pm
All roads lead to Everest base camp, but from there, Buddhism is the only route to the summit.
Excellent point.
Some paths are going in the opposite direction, for example, those that advocate violence, especially against innocent ones.
Agreed. I am aware of no major world religion which so advocates, although ancient texts can be interpreted and/or misunderstood in a corrupting manner, and adherents of some faiths may misconstrue the religion which they purport to follow, even to the point of harming others.

From this page:
An identical account appears in Buddhism:

The blind of this world bear a heavy burden for past failure to tell the way clearly to travelers. Some people's mouths are very misshapen. They blew out lamps on the Buddhas' altars. To be deaf and mute is a dreary existence. Reward appropriate for scolding one's parents. How do people get to be hunchbacks? They berated and laughed at those bowing to Buddhas" (Buddhist Text Translation Society, n.d.).

Having been exposed to such texts, many Buddhists have a negative attitude toward the disabled. According to one survey of Japanese Buddhists, "68% of people with disability say they have experienced discrimination," and "the vast majority of people without disability feel that individuals who have a disability are treated like second-class citizens" (Stevens, 2013, p. 32). Sallie B. King reached a similar conclusion:

Popular understanding based on the idea of karma has provided a rationalization for people to turn their backs on the disabled.... This interpretation of karma has been so common that modern reformers in countries like Japan bitterly blame Buddhism for much of the super-added suffering of disabled people beyond the physical suffering directly caused by their disabilities—their rejection by society, their treatment as pariahs, and the lack of interest in helping them. (2009, p. 163)

Contemporary Buddhists feel embarrassed by the cruelty of the karmic doctrine and the subsequent ill-treatment of the disabled. Richard Louis Bruno, a disabled Buddhist psychotherapist, solved this dilemma by doing two quite different things. First, he disassociated himself from the basic concept of "karmic punishment" by writing that some Buddhists (unlike himself) "believe in reincarnation and say that what happens to you in this life results from the circling back of your own actions from previous lives" (Bruno, n.d.). Second, he collected quotes from a few disabled persons, some of whom share his opinion:

"I believe my accident (and its consequences) is a result of something I'd done (or didn't do), or because of something I didn't handle properly, in a past life. I now get another chance to 'do it right.'" (Bruno, n.d.)

"It is really unproductive to think about past lives.... We have more than enough to handle dealing with this one." (Bruno, n.d.)

"When we accept that everything animate and inanimate is 'already broken,' a physical disability—even a terminal illness—loses its abnormality. Actually, anything that is not broken, not 'disabled,' is really abnormal." (Bruno, n.d.)

Khun Kampol Thongbunnum expressed an attitude similar to these in a short poem:

Most people
Live in suffering
Without knowing
Only when happiness
Gradually fades away
That suffering
Shows its face
Then and there
Not perceiving suffering
One consequently fails
To find the way out
And to get rid of suffering
Once and for all.
(Thongbunnum, 2010)

I empathize with the pain and desperation of the disabled, and I applaud their use of a wide variety of psychological defense mechanisms to make their lives easier. The disturbing aspect of these statements concerns not the disabled, but the able-bodied, who learn to blame the victims for their plight and to feel not only physically but morally superior to them.
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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:18 am

hmm i tend to treat disabled people normally because they are normal, just disabled
a few different suttas come to mind
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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by L.N. » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:42 pm

Sovatthika wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:18 am
a few different suttas come to mind
I would be interested in reading them if you wish to post links or PM. Thank you.
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Post by Dhammarakkhito » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:27 am

"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
— Ud 5.5

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