Would a buddhist monk...

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Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Hanzze » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:07 am

tell: "I am a Monk."?
Would a Buddhist monk tell: "I am a Buddhist."?
Would a follower of the path call him self a Buddhist?

...from the view of practice, except of situations where one is needed to answer ( local law)
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Individual » Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:45 pm

He might say that, but his mind should remain clear.

In other words, he uses conventional language, but not conventional thinking.
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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Hanzze » Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:53 pm

_/\_
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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Individual » Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:01 pm

Hanzze wrote:
Individual wrote:He might say that, but his mind should remain clear.

In other words, he uses conventional language, but not conventional thinking.
Good solution, but wouldn't it in this case a lie? A tactic?
It is a lie, but the monk did not create it. He merely accepts the lie and gives it back, to avoid too much confusion.

Because it is not always possible or necessary to explain anatta. Many suttas are written about anatta, but people might read them and still not understand.

So, you have to use conventional language, or people will think you are crazy or stupid.
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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Hanzze » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:20 am

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by plwk » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:38 am

Does it matter?

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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Hanzze » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:47 am

_/\_
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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Goedert » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:36 am

Friend,

Everything is possible to do in the world. Didn't You know that a monk could say such things as you describe?

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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by appicchato » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:45 am

When knowing the mind of the other...
We don't even know our own minds...seeing, or knowing, another's is pretty unrealistic...

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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Hanzze » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:30 am

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Hanzze » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:33 am

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Phra Chuntawongso » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:34 am

When I enter Thailand there is a question on the immigration card that asks what is my occupation.I would have to state Monk.
I was also reading something by Ven.Yuttadhammo on his website.He is somewhere in California and people ask him what he is,many of them never seeing a monk walking their streets before.Should he remain silent?No, he can answer that he is a buddhist monk.As monks we are dealing with non monastics all of the time and have to speak in conventional language unless we are explaining certain aspects of the dhamma.If a person,especially a non buddhist asks, are you a monk I can not really start saying things like-no monk-no me-no you.I would consider this to be un-beneficial speech that would merely create confusion and why would I wish to add confusion where confusion already exists?
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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Sylvester » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:17 am

Hanzze wrote:
Individual wrote: It is a lie, but the monk did not create it. He merely accepts the lie and gives it back, to avoid too much confusion.

Because it is not always possible or necessary to explain anatta. Many suttas are written about anatta, but people might read them and still not understand.

So, you have to use conventional language, or people will think you are crazy or stupid.
That would maybe the point if two monks are meeting. :-)

Questioned by a layman? Knowing the layman is deep attached with concept of somebody in a orange robe.

Indeed, which seems to be what happened when a young and cheeky Ven Brahmavamso met the Taungpulu Sayadaw and asked him, "Who's answering these questions?"

The sayadaw answered - "Nama".

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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Hanzze » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:18 am

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Would a buddhist monk...

Post by Hanzze » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:20 am

_/\_
Last edited by Hanzze on Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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