Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Post by jcsuperstar » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:34 am

Annabel wrote:I haven't seen him using lies, and he is a practising Christian.

You should not lie is a commandment.

Also, the Dalai Lama said that a white lie is allowed, if greater harm is being prevented this way-

Makes sense to me.
the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...

but i have seen him lie the one time i watched the show.
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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Post by jcsuperstar » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:35 am

appicchato wrote:
Peter wrote:
Annabel wrote: You should not lie is a commandment.
No it isn't.
Wouldn't 'Thou shall not bear false witness...' qualify?... :shrug:
only if its against your neighbor, if its some guy down the way, go for it :rofl:
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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Post by Dhammanando » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:56 am

Bhante,
appicchato wrote:Wouldn't 'Thou shall not bear false witness...' qualify?... :shrug:
In mainstream Christian churches it would, but originally (and still so in Judaism) the commandment covered only false oaths and perjury during legal proceedings. Lying in a more general sense is covered in ordinances that lie outside the ten commandments.

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Dhammanando Bhikkhu

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Post by pererin » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:05 pm

The text under discussion is לֹא-תַעֲנֶה בְרֵעֲךָ עֵד שָׁקֶר (Exodus 20:16). The pertinent word, שָׁקֶר [sheqer (pronounced sheh'-ker)], is analyzed by Strong as "an untruth; by implication, a sham (often adverbial):--without a cause, deceit(-ful), false(-hood, -ly), feignedly, liar, + lie, lying, vain (thing), wrongfully".

Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Lexicon offers the following:ׁ

sheqer

1) lie, deception, disappointment, falsehood

1a) deception (what deceives or disappoints or betrays one)

1b) deceit, fraud, wrong

1b1) fraudulently, wrongfully (as adverb)

1c) falsehood (injurious in testimony)

1c1) testify falsehood, false oath, swear falsely

1d) falsity (of false or self-deceived prophets)

1e) lie, falsehood (in general)

1e1) false tongue

1f) in vain

Needless to say, both Rabbinic and Christian exegesis (and eisegesis!) have had plenty to say about this injunction; however, there is no doubt that a more general ethical implication of truth-telling can hardly be excluded from what was certainly in origin, as Dhammanando Bhikkhu has pointed out, a legal formula.

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Post by Annapurna » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:23 pm

appicchato wrote:
Peter wrote:
Annabel wrote: You should not lie is a commandment.
No it isn't.
Wouldn't 'Thou shall not bear false witness...' qualify?... :shrug:
That's what I thought too.

In any case, my main point was that lies are "prohibited" by both dhamma and Christianity.

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Post by pererin » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:29 pm

Put it this way, even if Epikeia were to be applied in certain circumstances, now as in Antiquity neither Judaism nor Christianity considers that lying is OK.

Where is this thread going, please?

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Post by Annapurna » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:30 pm

jcsuperstar wrote:
Annabel wrote:I haven't seen him using lies, and he is a practising Christian.

You should not lie is a commandment.

Also, the Dalai Lama said that a white lie is allowed, if greater harm is being prevented this way-

Makes sense to me.
the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...

but i have seen him lie the one time i watched the show.
the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...
Ooops. Well, we can still assume also Tibetan Buddhism is based on the dhamma and that the Dalai Lama is perhaps the most profound dhamma expert we have as a contemporary. If you question that , want to challenge that, I have to bow out, as I'm not in the position to know, are you guys....

Schools may differ in details, but they are all based on one source, the Buddha.

So,...back to the bounty hunter.....? :guns:

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Post by stuka » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:24 pm

Annabel wrote:
jcsuperstar wrote:
Annabel wrote:I haven't seen him using lies, and he is a practising Christian.

You should not lie is a commandment.

Also, the Dalai Lama said that a white lie is allowed, if greater harm is being prevented this way-

Makes sense to me.
the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...

but i have seen him lie the one time i watched the show.
the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...
Ooops. Well, we can still assume also Tibetan Buddhism is based on the dhamma and that the Dalai Lama is perhaps the most profound dhamma expert we have as a contemporary.
Not necessarily. The Dalai Lama may be an expert in the Gelug tradition of the tibetan religions, however, these religions bear only superficial resemblance to Buddhism and the Buddhadhamma, and have nothing to do with Theravada Buddhism.
If you question that , want to challenge that, I have to bow out, as I'm not in the position to know, are you guys....

Schools may differ in details, but they are all based on one source, the Buddha.
The tibetan religions are based upon, and rely heavily upon, other sources: tantra, superstitions, oracles, je Tsonghapa, reincarnation of the same person over and over, etc. I have seen one christian source (who was actually quite impressed with the Buddha's teachings) describe the tibetan religions as "the Anti-Buddhism".
So,...back to the bounty hunter.....? :guns:
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Post by jcsuperstar » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:59 pm

Annabel wrote:
jcsuperstar wrote:
Annabel wrote:I haven't seen him using lies, and he is a practising Christian.

You should not lie is a commandment.

Also, the Dalai Lama said that a white lie is allowed, if greater harm is being prevented this way-

Makes sense to me.
the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...

but i have seen him lie the one time i watched the show.
the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...
Ooops. Well, we can still assume also Tibetan Buddhism is based on the dhamma and that the Dalai Lama is perhaps the most profound dhamma expert we have as a contemporary. If you question that , want to challenge that, I have to bow out, as I'm not in the position to know, are you guys....

Schools may differ in details, but they are all based on one source, the Buddha.

So,...back to the bounty hunter.....? :guns:
well his form of buddhism finds it okay to break vows if youre doing it "for a good reason"

i like the guy, he says some things at times that make me cringe (the anti homosexuality stuff) but for the most part seems a nice guy. but hes got nothing to do with my form of buddhism

now :focus:
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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Post by bodom » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:46 pm

stuka wrote: I am reminded of that "Crocodile Hunter" idiot, throwing himself on a stingray's barb.

One day, that poor attention-seeking moron will attempt to strut and showboat his way through some desperate soul's front door just long enough for them to place both barrels of a 12-gauge right on his lips and splatter his brains all over the following cameras and your television screen.

The price of ego-clinging is indeed high.
Thats harsh man. Really uncalled for.

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To practice is to know your defilements,
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Attached to nothing, letting go:
Know that this is the way
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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Post by Hanzze » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:48 pm

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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Post by Annapurna » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:58 pm

This thread received it's last reply before your's more than over 1 1/2 years ago. :zzz:

It's is unclear to me what you are referring to by " for sure not".

In any case, meanwhile, to me bounty hunting is just another facet of "police" life, in the largest possible meaning of the word "police".

Criminals are on the run, -some folks catch em for money, -either police, or bounty hunters.

The criminals are not sold as cheeseburgers at MacDuffys.

End of story.

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Post by Hanzze » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:32 am

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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Post by Annapurna » Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:52 pm

Hanzze wrote:
Annapurna wrote:This thread received it's last reply before your's more than over 1 1/2 years ago. :zzz:

It's is unclear to me what you are referring to by " for sure not".

In any case, meanwhile, to me bounty hunting is just another facet of "police" life, in the largest possible meaning of the word "police".

Criminals are on the run, -some folks catch em for money, -either police, or bounty hunters.

The criminals are not sold as cheeseburgers at MacDuffys.

End of story.
no end of story from a buddhist view :-)
but Sorry :-) "for sure not" - surely not... a good livelihood
No police - police don't catch for money. There task is catching but there is no danger of doing wrong because of the money.
Oh yes they are sold, watch out the news business the live show and the TV show where you got your thought from.
So you got directly involved in human trade :-)

Keep the precepts! Its your protection :-) No shows haha
Sure! You watch out for yours and I will for mine. :smile:
Oh yes they are sold, watch out the news business the live show and the TV show where you got your thought from.
Don't know where you are getting yours from, but I know several police people personally, male and female.
So you got directly involved in human trade
Who? Me? :smile:
There task is catching but there is no danger of doing wrong because of the money.
How so? Police and bountyhunters are both paid by the State (or whoever pays that)
If they do wrong, both police and bountyhunters go to court.

At least in lands with law and order. :reading:

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Post by Hanzze » Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:37 pm

_/\_
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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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