lojong1 wrote:Times have changed, hombre. Do you drive to work?
Is it better to support a corporation that causes thousands of Ecuadorian humans and animals to die and forces the rest off their land, than to cook a burger to feed an Ecuadorian refugee?
It comes down to what makes you feel the most guilt.
"A lay follower should not engage in five types of business. Which five? Business in weapons, business in human beings, business in meat, business in intoxicants, and business in poison."— AN 5.177
Shell (as an example) is engaged in all this, and perhaps owns a few fast food joints? If your livelihood depends on such behavior, even indirectly...oh the unwholesomeness of it all!
Annapurna wrote:You don't own the kamma of your employer. Only your own.
lojong1 wrote:Annapurna wrote:You don't own the kamma of your employer. Only your own.
In that way you can justify the manufacture and sale of weapons, poisons and intoxicants as right livelihood.
lojong1 wrote:'Direct and indirect harm gets lip service in modern explanations of right livelihood.
Does anyone know a sutta that says even indirect harm from livelihood should be avoided? (other than the explicit indirect support of weapons poisons intoxicants slaves butchery that most of us engage in daily )
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MJS wrote:"All beings are the owners of their deeds, the heirs of their deeds- their deeds are the womb from the womb from which they sprang, with their deeds they are bound up, their deeds are their refuge, Whatever deeds the do - good or evil - of such they will be the heirs"
In a couple of days I start a Meat Cutting course so that I can get in to a Culinary Arts course right after (My math mark sucked and I was offered this or nothing so I took it), so I will technically be a Butcher.
This is most likely bad Kamma. HOWEVER I'm totally fine with that, because, as a LAY practitioner that has no interest in going any further than that, I try not to bind my self to concern about my Kamma effects other than the immediate (this life). This does not interfere with me trying with the upmost effort to be a good and compassionate human being. I realize that my career choice may be poor but I am willing to own up to my Kammic obligations and rise above the obsession with it and actually BE a good person in practice. I will not kill another human and will try with my best effort not to cause harm to anyone or anything, but I am also not naive enough to expect to excel in this field without causing harm to animals/fish.
Also i feel supporting sustainabilty and responsible consumption is an obligation of mine as I progress in my career (As is i have little to no say). Many chefs and people in the biz have made terrific strides in promoting humane treatment of farmed animals, other than the actual killing part, as well as in the promotion of healthy food to the public.
I also feel that it is extremely selfish to pas of Kammic responsibilty to another (As i said own up to your actions)
And I drink booze on occasion (Responsibly). Life is not Black and White, but it is pretty damn grey.
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theravada_guy wrote:Greetings all,
I was wondering, does working in a restaurant count as wrong livelihood? I used to work at Wendy's. I put condiments on sandwiches, got fries, chicken nuggets and other related things. I definitely don't want to go back to a restaurant, especially a fast food one, but if I did end up back there, is this considered wrong livelihood, since I'm not actually doing the butchering? I've been meaning to ask this for awhile now, and another post prompted me to post it now.
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