Tradition.jcsuperstar wrote:i used to wonder why the Japanese sangha didn't just go ordain in a Chinese or Theravada lineage, . . . .
Chinese Ch'an I do believe functions in a Vinaya lineage.
Tradition.jcsuperstar wrote:i used to wonder why the Japanese sangha didn't just go ordain in a Chinese or Theravada lineage, . . . .
yes it doestiltbillings wrote:Chinese Ch'an I do believe functions in a Vinaya lineage.jcsuperstar wrote:i used to wonder why the Japanese sangha didn't just go ordain in a Chinese or Theravada lineage, . . . .
well it worked for them, and not in that way tibetan Buddhists say "i know Tibetan Buddhism is true, because it works" because i have never understood what that meant, what i mean is it has worked as a vehicle for carrying cultural norms as a means of comfort through disasters, wars, etc. it's tied up into what it means to be Japanese, it holds a sense of identity. it's hard to change something like that.Tradition.
What is the difference between mindful walking (on a vipassana retreat) and mindfully making tea, cleaning a Zen temple or doing caligraphy? These are different exercises that seem to cultivate similar understandings and skills.
We may have different ways of talking about and conceptualizing the dharma/dhamma but for those whom meditation and mindfulness are central to their practice we are sharing a huge common ground.
So who needs sticks?m0rl0ck wrote:Zen Vs Therevada?
My money is on the zen guys. They have those sticks you know.
The real Buddhism is not books, not manuals, not word for word repetition from the Tipitaka, nor is it rites and rituals. These are not the real Buddhism. The real Buddhism is the practice, by way of body, speech and mind that will destroy the defilements, in part or completely...Though a person may never have seen or even heard of the Tipitaka, if he carries out detailed investigation every time suffering arises and scorches his mind he can be said to be studying the Tipitaka directly, and far more correctly than people actually in the process of reading it. - Buddhadasa Bhikkhu
No it does not.Shonin wrote:... However, Zen includes the Nikayas as part of their canon. ...
Chan buddhism covers a fairly wide range of meditation topics.EricJ wrote:Theravadins seem to practice with a wider array of meditation objects and methods (vipassana and samatha as practices with objects such as the brahmaviharas, breath, kasina objects, jhana, etc.). This seems to be a major difference from "single-practice" traditions such as Soto Zen with shikantaza. I don't know whether or not Ch'an Buddhism encourages a wider variety of meditation practices. Would anyone like to comment on that?
The best comparison of all the Vinayas is that done by Akira Hirakawa. It's in Japanese.Sobeh wrote:Are there extant comparisons of their Vinayas?
Dharmagupta bhiksu/ni ordination, and bodhisattva ordination c/o the Mahayana-brahmajala-sutra (or Yogacarabhumi Bodhisattva Pratimoksa). All this usually fed through the classic east asian Vinaya system of the South Mountain Vinaya School (Nanshan Luzong).tiltbillings wrote:Tradition.jcsuperstar wrote:i used to wonder why the Japanese sangha didn't just go ordain in a Chinese or Theravada lineage, . . . .
Chinese Ch'an I do believe functions in a Vinaya lineage.