Hi, Zom (Attention: Fabian and others) -Zom wrote:There he said to the monks, "This nibbana is pleasant, friends. This nibbana is pleasant."Talking about the end and cessation without remainder, isn't that the view of annihilationists?
Where and how is peace felt when there are no longer cognizance and body to feel it?
When this was said, Ven. Udayin said to Ven. Sariputta, "But what is the pleasure here, my friend, where there is nothing felt?"
"Just that is the pleasure here, my friend: where there is nothing felt.
(AN 9.34 http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
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"It may happen, Ananda, that Wanderers of other sects will be saying this: 'The recluse Gotama speaks of the Cessation of Perception and Feeling and describes it as pleasure. What is this (pleasure) and how is this (a pleasure)?'
"Those who say so, should be told: 'The Blessed One describes as pleasure not only the feeling of pleasure. But a Tathagata describes as pleasure whenever and whereinsoever it is obtained.'"(SN 36.19 http://www.vipassana.com/canon/samyutta/sn36-19.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
AN 9.34 seems to say that where there is no feeling, there is pleasure. Do you think so? But can you explain to me, because I do not have a clue.
SN 36-19 translation is not meaningful to me. What does the following quote mean to you : "But a Tathagata describes as pleasure whenever and whereinsoever it is obtained." ?
Thank you very much.