Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Post by dhamma_spoon » Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:50 pm

bodom wrote:Im not sure why you seem to think I am endorsing this type of practice over the practice as taught by the Buddha. :shrug:
I made a generalised statement. It was not meant to be the final word on anything. I was going off of JC's post and posted something I thought was relevant to the direction the thread was taking. You asked for info regarding the phrase so I posted a link. I didn't write it nor do I adhere to it.

:anjali:
Thank you, Bodom, for the clarification. No, I did not think you chose that wrong "practice" over the Buddh's Teachings.
Let's drop the issue for now. My apology for mishandling it. :juggling:

Truly yours,

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Post by bodom » Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:02 pm

No apologies necessary. :toast:

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With no struggling, no thinking,
the mind, still,
will see cause and effect
vanishing in the Void.
Attached to nothing, letting go:
Know that this is the way
to allay all stress.

- Upasika Kee Nanayan

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Post by dhamma_spoon » Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:54 pm

bodom wrote:No apologies necessary. :toast:

:anjali:
Thank you for the letting go! :hug:


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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Post by Dharma Atma » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:49 pm

There is said in the text:
Not in hopes of material gain
does he take on the training;
when without material gain
he isn't upset.
... he isn't upset. But in this context, should we understand money as a difficulty that can damage to our spiritual development? until we "aren't upset" without coins...

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Post by dhamma_spoon » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:27 pm

Dharma Atma wrote:There is said in the text:
Not in hopes of material gain
does he take on the training;
when without material gain
he isn't upset.
... he isn't upset. But in this context, should we understand money as a difficulty that can damage to our spiritual development? until we "aren't upset" without coins...
Hi, Dharma Atma -

[Ha ha ! That is pretty amusing.]

It is true that 100% of householders [worldling, puthujjana] who are without "coins" (and bills, or a fat checkbook) are easily upset. But in the sutta context, as I understand it, the term 'material gain' means monk robe, alms food, medicine and other accessories that ease the monkhood difficulties.

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Post by jcsuperstar » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:06 am

Dharma Atma wrote:There is said in the text:
Not in hopes of material gain
does he take on the training;
when without material gain
he isn't upset.
... he isn't upset. But in this context, should we understand money as a difficulty that can damage to our spiritual development? until we "aren't upset" without coins...
a person isn't supposed to take on the training (IE become a monk) for some sort of reward, this is wrong motivation, the goal is not to be a rich monk or a famous teacher.
in lay terms i would suppose one isn't supposed to give to monks and temples in hopes of having answered prayers.
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