what's your hindrance?

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.

what's your hindrance?

1.Sensual desire (kāmacchanda)
9
21%
2.Anger or ill-will (byāpāda, vyāpāda)
9
21%
3.Sloth-torpor or boredom (thīna-middha)
14
33%
4.Restlessness-worry (uddhacca-kukkucca)
9
21%
5.Doubt (vicikicchā)
1
2%
 
Total votes: 42

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Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by mikenz66 » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:32 am

Hi JC,

That sounds great.

I presume you've heard stories from Ajahn Brahm etc, how back in the 70s with Ajahn Chah they would get told to do the talk tonight (in Thai of course). I think it was Ajahn Brahm who said that he gave a one hour talk and was told to do another hour, and then another...

One time when Ajahn Tiradhammo visited our Wat briefly he gave a talk mostly in Thai (with occasional English summaries) which impressed the Thai lay people, so it does seem to work...

Mike

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Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by jcsuperstar » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:46 am

yeah, once i heard on mp3 a story where he (ajahn brahm) gave a talk in Thailand and people afterwards were congratulating him on his great Pali, when he in fact wasn't talking in Pali but in Thai, so it turned out his Thai was so poor that no one had any idea what he was talking about :tongue:
สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by mettafuture » Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:35 pm

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,
jcsuperstar wrote:there are many learned monks who i cant stand listening to dhamma talks from.
Including.... those.... who.... talk..... really..... really..... slow....

Metta,
Retro. :)
:rofl:

I respect their knowledge, but I'm not enlightened enough to listen to someone who is speaking 5 words per minute.

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Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by mikenz66 » Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:49 pm

Do people who have trouble with slowish speech have difficulty when it is live, or only in recordings? They tend to be two very different types of listening for me (unless I make the effort to sit down and not think of anything else). Live, with visual clues, and the whole "occasion" of the talk, it's much easier for me to fully concentrate on the meaning and let it sink in. It's also helpful if you've seen the speaker, or a similar speaker, live, to get used to that sort of pace. :sage:

My patience has been vastly extended by spending time in situations where I don't even understand much of what is being spoken (because it is in Thai or Chinese, with some translation if I'm lucky...), so the fact that the speech is in English is a positive for me... :woohoo:

By the way, if you find a recorded speech too slow there are simple technical solutions to speed it up without changing the pitch. Many MP3 hardware and software players have an option to do this, or you can use software like audacity to create a new file. I recall when I wanted to put Bhikkhu Bodhi's ancient ten-lecture series of talks onto CDs I sped up a couple of talks that otherwise ran longer than one CD...

Mike

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Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by alan » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:43 am

Re: Dhamma Talks.
To: All Teachers.
Sirs,
Get right to the point. No parenthetical thoughts unless they are entertaining.
Speak clearly and carry a big stick. Tell us what you think, not what you've been conditioned to say. And please, no intellectual ramblings. Your topic should relate to something in the experience of the listener.
Finally, keep in mind this adage: if you can't make a good point or two in 20 minutes, you can't do it in 2 hours.

Regards,
Long-suffering listeners all over the internets.

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Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by jcsuperstar » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:50 am

i like how this thread is so off topic, i should probably start a new one ...

but speakers i do like are-

ajaan Thanissaro -his talks are mostly short, and his voice is IMO awesome for dhamma talks
ajahn Sujato- also pretty good voice, doesn't have super long talks
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by alan » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:56 am

Before starting a new topic do you have some links to Sujato?

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Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by jcsuperstar » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:57 am

alan wrote:Before starting a new topic do you have some links to Sujato?
http://www.dhammanet.org/news.php
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by Monkey Mind » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:09 am

mikenz66 wrote:Do people who have trouble with slowish speech have difficulty when it is live, or only in recordings? They tend to be two very different types of listening for me (unless I make the effort to sit down and not think of anything else). Live, with visual clues, and the whole "occasion" of the talk, it's much easier for me to fully concentrate on the meaning and let it sink in. It's also helpful if you've seen the speaker, or a similar speaker, live, to get used to that sort of pace.
I have heard Ajahn Sumedho speak via mp3. Like someone else suggested, I actually sped up his talk with the software. Recently I was able to see him speak in person. What I couldn't "see" via the recording... When he is speaking slowly, he is grinning like a Cheshire Cat and looking at each person in the audience. It was really very intriguing.
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by alan » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:20 am

Ajahn Sumedho puts me to sleep. It may just be the nature of the talks---meant for the people in the room---just don't play well as audio downloads.

Thanks JC for the link.

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