MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

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MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Post by cooran » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:11 pm

Hello all,

I was startled to come across this article .... not sure what to think.

MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES
http://www.shelfari.com/groups/24709/di ... /MUHAMMAD-(PBUH" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)-IN-BUDDHIST-SCRIPTURES

Thoughts?

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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Post by Agent » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:55 pm

Although the author obviously put quite a bit of effort into picking and choosing quotes and comparisons, I don't think the s/he makes much of an argument. Major religions and religious figures tend to have a few things in common. Some people like to read a lot into that. I think it just says something about the general qualities we find important in religious leaders.

Plus you'd have to completely ignore the whole advocacy of a creator god thing (which as far as I can tell is pretty important to Islam).
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Post by tiltbillings » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:02 pm

cooran wrote:
Thoughts?
It is silliness.

Here is a Baha'i (an Islamic offshoot) variation:

http://bahai-library.com/?file=momen_en ... a_buddhism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is silliness.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Post by Modus.Ponens » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:30 pm

Yes, I'm with tilt: this is silliness.

It was probably writen by a Bahai folower. They are well intentioned good people (there's at least one in DW). Unfortunately, Mohammadwas the oposite of a Buddha, a being consumate in virtue.
"He turns his mind away from those phenomena and, having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.' " - Jhana Sutta

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Post by cooran » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:03 pm

Hello Modus.Ponems,

Where do you find the Buddha teaching this way of disrespectful verbal/written action? I have always been attracted to the way the Blessed One taught respect for other religions, even to the point of encouraging new disciples to continue to support their previous teachers in other faiths.

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Post by Kim OHara » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:37 am

Agent wrote:Although the author obviously put quite a bit of effort into picking and choosing quotes and comparisons, I don't think the s/he makes much of an argument. Major religions and religious figures tend to have a few things in common. Some people like to read a lot into that. I think it just says something about the general qualities we find important in religious leaders.

Plus you'd have to completely ignore the whole advocacy of a creator god thing (which as far as I can tell is pretty important to Islam).
Agreed.
If you wanted to take the search for agreement between Islam and Buddhism further, there have to be exactly the same broad agreements (be nice to each other, tell the truth, respect your elders) and the same, completely fundamental, underlying difference (creator god/no creator god) that we have seen in many many attempts to draw parallels and find agreements between Buddhism and Christianity.
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Post by tiltbillings » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:43 am

cooran wrote:Hello Modus.Ponems,
Modus.Ponens said: Mohammad (
Where do you find the Buddha teaching this way of disrespectful verbal/written action? I have always been attracted to the way the Blessed One taught respect for other religions, even to the point of encouraging new disciples to continue to support their previous teachers in other faiths.

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Out side of al-Andalus Islam has not always had a happy relationship with other religions. Its descruction of things Buddhist is well know, but none of that means we should act as badly.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Post by Modus.Ponens » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:49 am

cooran wrote:Hello Modus.Ponems,
Modus.Ponens said: Mohammad
Where do you find the Buddha teaching this way of disrespectful verbal/written action? I have always been attracted to the way the Blessed One taught respect for other religions, even to the point of encouraging new disciples to continue to support their previous teachers in other faiths.

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Mohamed doesn't deserve any respect from me. He was a warlord and a genocidal. Does that make what I said right speech? No. But I don't think the Buddha would have advised new disciples to support Mohamed.
"He turns his mind away from those phenomena and, having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.' " - Jhana Sutta

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Post by Kim OHara » Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:33 am

Modus.Ponens wrote: Does that make what I said right speech? No.
You said it yourself.
How about taking the next step and apologising?
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Post by Kenshou » Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:37 am

Pbuh?

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Post by tiltbillings » Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:05 am

Kenshou wrote:Pbuh?
Praise be unto him and there are a couple of others that are used.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Post by tiltbillings » Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:06 am

Kim O'Hara wrote:How about taking the next step and apologising?
To whom?
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Post by cooran » Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:23 am

Kenshou wrote: Pbuh?
It means Peace Be Upon Him and is used after mentioning the name of the Prophet Muhammad. It is also abbreviated as "SAWS," which stand for the Arabic words of similar meaning ("sallallahu alayhi wa salaam").

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Post by cooran » Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:30 am

Hello all,

His Holiness speaks on finding common ground between Islam and Buddhism
"It is my hope that on the basis of this common ground, followers of each tradition may come to appreciate the spiritual truths their different paths entail and from this develop a basis for respect for each others’ practice and beliefs. This may not have occurred very often before, because there has been so little opportunity for real understanding between these two great traditions".
http://www.tibet.net/en/index.php?id=15 ... news&tab=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And you may benefit by reading:
A People facing Buddhist Violence over Centuries
Myanmar (formerly known as Burma) has a population of 48 million, 15 percent of whom are Muslims. Most of the rest are Buddhists. The Muslims live in the Arakan region of the country.
Arakan is the country's richest region in terms of oil and natural gas deposits, and its people first came to Islam by means of Arab merchants. This turning towards Islam culminated with the establishment of an Islamic state in 1430. This state survived for 350 years, until the Buddhists put an end to it by conquering Arakan.
Immediately after the Muslims lost political power in 1783, the Burmese Buddhists embarked on a policy of oppressing and even physically eliminating them. The country was then colonized by the British towards the end of the nineteenth century.
The anti-Muslim campaign waged by the Buddhists gained momentum in the twentieth century, and there was a terrible massacre in Arakan in 1942 which resulted in the deaths of 100,000 Muslims, and left hundreds of thousands either crippled or forced to flee their land.
MORE AT:
http://www.rohingya.org/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=43" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And, of course, we know of the Tamils in Sri Lanka and their treatment over the centuries by buddhists which led to the terrible rebellion/civil war over the last decades. Buddhist Fundamentalism is growing stronger in Sri Lanka.

But ~ does this make all Buddhists members of a hateful religion ... does this reflect on the Founder of that religion ~ or is it the individuals who commit the actions who are filled with delusion and hate?

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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Post by tiltbillings » Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:51 am

cooran wrote:Hello all . . .
It would be nice if all members of all religions could get along. It simply harder for some by the very structure of their teachings to do so.

As for the the history you referenced, it is never quite so simple as spelled out in a few paragraphs.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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