Monks and Nuns cohabitating

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Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by Sheranne » Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:16 am

Hello
Do Theravada nuns and monks commonly live together in the same monastery? Are Theravada monasteries normally co-ed? I was under the impression that monasteries were separated by sex--is this not true? It seems unusual for a forest tradition senior monk to have a nun as his sole companion and assistant. Is this okay and ordinary? Thanks, Sher

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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by jcsuperstar » Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:48 am

you are correct monks and nuns don't share the same quarters, a monk is never supposed to be alone with a female unless, i believe, it is his mother
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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by alan » Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:57 am

Hi Sher.
It is usual in the forest tradition for the lead Monk to have at least two or maybe even a dozen female companions. There are many Suttas which refer to the necessity of examining and understanding the limits of sensuality. It is the job of Ajhaan's to go to extremes in order to understand the nature of these Dhammas, and then realize the meaning of such cohabitation.
Hope this helps.

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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by jcsuperstar » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:02 am

alan wrote:Hi Sher.
It is usual in the forest tradition for the lead Monk to have at least two or maybe even a dozen female companions. There are many Suttas which refer to the necessity of examining and understanding the limits of sensuality. It is the job of Ajhaan's to go to extremes in order to understand the nature of these Dhammas, and then realize the meaning of such cohabitation.
Hope this helps.
what forest tradition? did ajahn chah hang out alone with women? ajaan mun? ajahn tate? ajahn lee? how about modern ajaans like thanissaro?
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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by alan » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:13 am

Most of those monks had several babes. They were trying to understand the ultimate limits of sensuality. What better way to go beyond that than to get it on with a bunch of honeys?
That's why I always recommend a monastery with some cute girls. Otherwise it is so boring! :tongue:

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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:15 am

Such silliness.

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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by alan » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:25 am

Just trying to lighten the mood!
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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:28 am

Greetings Alan,

Sure, but misinformation posing as information doesn't help answer serious questions, does it?

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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by alan » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:32 am

Hi Retro
I'm sorry but I did not think the question was well thought out. Thought it was silly, actually. So I gave a silly response.

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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by mikenz66 » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:05 am

The "problem" with the question is that Sher is obviously referring to a particular individual (who would be obvious to many here), but is trying to frame the question in a general hypothetical way. The problem with that is that it casts aspersions on that individual which may well be unfair. And this impossible to discuss without being specific.

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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by jcsuperstar » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:13 am

well there seems to be two things that could be going on if you're right
1. a certain person is "being called out" and the op wants us to take a stand
2. there are legitimate questions about the actions of a certain person and the op wants confirmation about suspicions they may be having about what is right for monastics.

as long as we answer the question as if #2 is the intention i don't think we can go wrong.
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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by Annapurna » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:33 am

alan wrote:Hi Retro
I'm sorry but I did not think the question was well thought out. Thought it was silly, actually. So I gave a silly response.
We have a saying. There are no silly questions, only silly replies.

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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by cooran » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:34 am

Hello
Do Theravada nuns and monks commonly live together in the same monastery? Are Theravada
Hello Sheranne,

No, they do not commonly do this. Nuns usually live at a separate address, with a female Abbot. Monks cannot be alone with a female.

However, the esteemed Bhikkhu Bodhi did live for a long while here (not sure if he is still in residence):

Bodhi Monastery (not named after Bhikkhu Bodhi - it is a Mahayana monastery)
Monastery in Lafayette, New Jersey Bhikkhu Bodhi, prolific translator of the Pali Canon into English, lives here. Take advantage of talks on the web, weekly classes and meditations at the monastery. One of the few monasteries where Mahayana and Theravada monks and nuns live together.
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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by Annapurna » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:45 am

mikenz66 wrote:The "problem" with the question is that Sher is obviously referring to a particular individual (who would be obvious to many here), but is trying to frame the question in a general hypothetical way. The problem with that is that it casts aspersions on that individual which may well be unfair. And this impossible to discuss without being specific.

Mike
Who is it?

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Re: Monks and Nuns cohabitating

Post by Sanghamitta » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:58 am

Sheranne wrote:Hello
Do Theravada nuns and monks commonly live together in the same monastery? Are Theravada monasteries normally co-ed? I was under the impression that monasteries were separated by sex--is this not true? It seems unusual for a forest tradition senior monk to have a nun as his sole companion and assistant. Is this okay and ordinary? Thanks, Sher
I think the debate has moved in a dubious direction . It started as a general question/observation. Then was construed rightly or wrongly as referring to a specific situation, and now has become a source of gossip.
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