Kosala Sutta

[convivium]

Ideas true. we must come to understand forces beyond the chimerical. there's models and there's method. on the literal level i wonder the extent to which experience of the totalty described differs as taught by different traditions/masters. in the end of course it comes back to nibbana-ing; but to approach by keeping a chaste mind, w/ Brahmaviharas, altruism, humility, prayer, etc. seems within the eightfold path.

[brad48]

One question that comes to mind is the extent to which all these realms & totality of the world must be known, and if that might vary depending on ones ambitions or extent of buddhahood; or if witnessing all this in such a way, or another way is a requisite even for arahatship. This is the first time I've seen Kasinas mentioned in suttas, as well. There are other questions too.

Very interesting discourse having to do with perception and beyond perception.

It is possible to attain Arahatship with the use of inferential logic. For example being disenchanted with the 7 stations of consciousness and 2 bases. If you can understand enough to understand that they are impermanent and you understand what is impermanent is suffering that could form a basis for a monastic to attain Arahantship here and now.

It can also be helpful for lay people to attain Stream Winner, Once-Returner, and Non-Returner. Using disenchantment to abandon the fetter of personality view.

[retrofuturist]

Greetings Brad,

It is possible to attain Arahatship with the use of inferential logic.

What would happen if a lay person attained arahantship with the use of inferential logic?

You're not suggesting that no samadhi is required for arahantship, are you?

Metta,
Retro.

[convivium]

9.
Seven stations of consciousness and two spheres:
There are beings with diversity of body and diversity of perception, such as human beings, some devas, and some beings in the lower realms. This is the first station of consciousness.

There are beings with diversity of body and singularity of perception, such as the devas of the Brahma hosts generated by the first [jhana]. This is the second station of consciousness.

There are beings with singularity of body and diversity of perception, such as the Radiant Devas. This is the third station of consciousness.

There are beings with singularity of body and singularity of perception, such as the Beautifully Lustrous Devas. This is the fourth station of consciousness.

There are beings who, with the complete transcending of perceptions of [physical] form, with the disappearance of perceptions of resistance, and not heeding perceptions of diversity, [perceiving,] 'Infinite space,' arrive at the dimension of the infinitude of space. This is the fifth station of consciousness.

There are beings who, with the complete transcending of the dimension of the infinitude of space, [perceiving,] 'Infinite consciousness,' arrive at the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness. This is the sixth station of consciousness.

There are beings who, with the complete transcending of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, [perceiving,] 'There is nothing,' arrive at the dimension of nothingness. This is the seventh station of consciousness.

The dimension of non-percipient beings and, second, the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception. These are the two spheres.

— Maha-nidana Suttanta, DN 15

inferential logic? like locke? isn't that analogous to unverified superstition?