tiltbillings wrote: Dmytro wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:Actually K.R. Norman does a decent job at looking a Pali, putting is a bit later than the Buddha.
IMHO, the arguments of K.R. Norman are well summarized and dealt with in the article:
The Buddha Spoke Pāli
Stefan Karpikhttp://www.insightmeditation.org/dharme ... il2006.doc
Considering the extent of Norman's article, not very well.
Well, to add an extent, I'll just formulate clearly my opinion: the Pali of Sutta and Vinaya is mostly obviously stylized according to the needs or oral transmission, but the early verse texts, like Suttanipata, preserve the language which Buddha spoke.
The detailed arguments (affinity to the language of the Jain Canon, Ardha-Magadhi, etc.) are well formulated by the Wilhelm Geigerhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pali/message/5761
Dhammapada verse 103:
103. Yo sahassaṃ sahassena, saṅgāme mānuse jine;
Ekañca jeyyamattānaṃ, sa ve saṅgāmajuttamo.
Greater in battle than the man who would conquer a thousand-thousand men,
is he who would conquer just one — himself.
Jain Samana sutta 125:
Jo sahassam sahassanam, samgame dujjae jine.
Egam jinejja appanam, esa se paramo jao. (125)
One may conquer thousands and thousands of enemies in an invincible battle;
but the supreme victory consists in conquest over one's self.http://www.jainworld.com/scriptures/samansuttam10.asp