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I have this idea what Christian hell looks like, but are there pictures, or descriptions of Buddhist hell, that are reliable, from Buddha, or good sources . .

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the following is reliable and not speculative:
Bhikkhus, it is a gain for you, it is well gained by you, that you have obtained the opportunity for living the holy life.

I have seen, bhikkhus, the hell named ‘Contact’s Sixfold Base.’ There whatever form one sees with the eye is undesirable, never desirable; unlovely, never lovely; disagreeable, never agreeable. Whatever sound one hears with the ear … Whatever odour one smells with the nose … Whatever taste one savours with the tongue … Whatever tactile object one feels with the body … Whatever mental phenomenon one cognizes with the mind is undesirable, never desirable; unlovely, never lovely; disagreeable, never agreeable.

https://suttacentral.net/sn35.135/en/bodhi
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jbrooks79 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:36 am
I have this idea what Christian hell looks like, but are there pictures, or descriptions of Buddhist hell, that are reliable, from Buddha, or good sources . .
My mind buzzing around at its worst is probably a good description of "Hell"....but I'm not able to take a "selfie" of that, sorry!

Here's part of an interview with Ajahn Sumedho of the Theravada Thai Forest Tradition. It's from the section "Literalism, Metaphor and Mystery" in his book "Direct Realisation." (Volume 3 of The Anthology):
Christian cathedrals are full of angels, devils and hells. At that time people’s minds were conditioned to perceive the world through myths, symbols and metaphors. Our time on the other hand is one in which we perceive the world through theories, logic and rational thought, scientific views and psychology.

The cosmology of Buddhism however, from the highest heaven to the lowest hell, is simply a metaphor for the whole realm of human experience, from the most refined state of consciousness, which is neither perception nor non-perception, to the lowest form of misery, unmitigated pain and anguish which is the deepest hell. Though we may experience these extremes, most of our lives are lived in between that. So the animal, human and first levels of the deva realms are in that middle position. So you find that we relate to the animal kingdom a lot because we share an animal-type body, and then the Four Maharajas, the Protectors of the World, can be seen as ‘guardian angels’ or the powers of shame and moral dread which guide you from doing terrible things. So simple people take things quite literally, and the more sophisticated take them more metaphorically, but whichever way you take them, they are still quite helpful! Seriously though, to believe in deva worlds literally doesn’t seem necessary and the Buddha didn’t make that his teaching.

The Four Noble Truths is what he taught – and he said that this is all you have to know.

https://www.amaravati.org/dhamma-books/ ... alization/

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jbrooks79 wrote:I have this idea what Christian hell looks like, but are there pictures, or descriptions of Buddhist hell, that are reliable, from Buddha, or good sources . .
They're both similar in the sense that hell is a concrete realm of existence just like the animal or the human realms. And the Buddha quite explicitly said so throughout his Teaching, in many suttas with the common stock phrase:
MN 129 wrote:Having done bad things by way of body, speech, and mind, when their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.
Now comes the big difference, unlike the Christian hell where the victims are subjected to eternal damnation, those in the Buddhist hell will get a chance to be reborn again in one of the 31 planes of existence once one's served his sentence.

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jbrooks79 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:36 am
I have this idea what Christian hell looks like, but are there pictures, or descriptions of Buddhist hell, that are reliable, from Buddha, or good sources . .
Yes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petavatthu and the corresponding https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimanavatthu describes the Deva world.

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jbrooks79 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:36 am
I have this idea what Christian hell looks like, but are there pictures, or descriptions of Buddhist hell, that are reliable, from Buddha, or good sources . .
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He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "

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Kusala wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:36 am
jbrooks79 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:36 am
I have this idea what Christian hell looks like, but are there pictures, or descriptions of Buddhist hell, that are reliable, from Buddha, or good sources . .
thanks for that vid. I remember being shown videos like this about hell when I was younger. It scared me to the point where I didn't ever want to go back to Sunday school. But now watching them really scares me and motivates me to avoid doing bad things. :console:

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DooDoot wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:20 pm
the following is reliable and not speculative:
Bhikkhus, it is a gain for you, it is well gained by you, that you have obtained the opportunity for living the holy life.

I have seen, bhikkhus, the hell named ‘Contact’s Sixfold Base.’ There whatever form one sees with the eye is undesirable, never desirable; unlovely, never lovely; disagreeable, never agreeable. Whatever sound one hears with the ear … Whatever odour one smells with the nose … Whatever taste one savours with the tongue … Whatever tactile object one feels with the body … Whatever mental phenomenon one cognizes with the mind is undesirable, never desirable; unlovely, never lovely; disagreeable, never agreeable.

https://suttacentral.net/sn35.135/en/bodhi
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Buddha also equates hell realm here and now for people are subject to the punishment of a powerful legal system and involve with war. Bhante Dhammanado said that human can't experience the real hell. It appears to be it is nothing like hell human experiences. (please correct me if I am wrong) Being reborn to the human realm has done both good and bad deeds. So it is not possible to experience the hell of beings only done bad deeds.
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cappuccino wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:24 pm
Pretty grim
“For that is false, bhikkhu, which has a deceptive nature, and that is true which has an undeceptive nature—Nibbāna. Therefore a bhikkhu possessing this truth possesses the supreme foundation of truth. For this, bhikkhu, is the supreme noble truth, namely, Nibbāna, which has an undeceptive nature.” MN 140

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Ceisiwr wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:39 am
Pretty grim
Its not "unreal". It is real.
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.

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Aloka wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:07 pm
jbrooks79 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:36 am
I have this idea what Christian hell looks like, but are there pictures, or descriptions of Buddhist hell, that are reliable, from Buddha, or good sources . .
My mind buzzing around at its worst is probably a good description of "Hell"....but I'm not able to take a "selfie" of that, sorry!

Here's part of an interview with Ajahn Sumedho of the Theravada Thai Forest Tradition. It's from the section "Literalism, Metaphor and Mystery" in his book "Direct Realisation." (Volume 3 of The Anthology):
Christian cathedrals are full of angels, devils and hells. At that time people’s minds were conditioned to perceive the world through myths, symbols and metaphors. Our time on the other hand is one in which we perceive the world through theories, logic and rational thought, scientific views and psychology.

The cosmology of Buddhism however, from the highest heaven to the lowest hell, is simply a metaphor for the whole realm of human experience, from the most refined state of consciousness, which is neither perception nor non-perception, to the lowest form of misery, unmitigated pain and anguish which is the deepest hell. Though we may experience these extremes, most of our lives are lived in between that. So the animal, human and first levels of the deva realms are in that middle position. So you find that we relate to the animal kingdom a lot because we share an animal-type body, and then the Four Maharajas, the Protectors of the World, can be seen as ‘guardian angels’ or the powers of shame and moral dread which guide you from doing terrible things. So simple people take things quite literally, and the more sophisticated take them more metaphorically, but whichever way you take them, they are still quite helpful! Seriously though, to believe in deva worlds literally doesn’t seem necessary and the Buddha didn’t make that his teaching.

The Four Noble Truths is what he taught – and he said that this is all you have to know.

https://www.amaravati.org/dhamma-books/ ... alization/

:anjali:
i thought buddha was talking to devas and brahmas which form he can perveice by eye. or he is talking to different mind states of other humans?
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Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:21 pm
See the Devadūta Sutta
Thanks for the posting.

The Buddha in the sutta teaches clearly about the conditions of hell, and its connection with King Yama. It seems King Yama is the king of hell?

No such a king of hell is mentioned in the SN suttas. But some descriptions about various forms of tormented ghost (P. peta, Skt. preta) and the karmic cause for the arising of the suffering experienced by them are presented in SN 19.1-21 (= SA 508-534).

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thomaslaw wrote: It seems King Yama is the king of hell?
Yama is a role for any number of people

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