greenjuice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:00 pmVajrayana... they will then be able to feel and see pain in the samsara without suffering and will be able to indulge in pleasure (including sex, alcohol, etc) without getting attached to it in a way that will make them suffer when it stops.
The above invalid ideas demonstrate the obsession with the "pleasure seeker" in the Pali suttas. It was already mentioned the Pali suttas teach any "
delight in feelings is attachment" (MN 38). Therefore, it is not possible to have sex for pleasure without attachment. I would take care with Vajrayana, given the current sensitivities about the on-going sexual misconduct scandals in Vajrayana.
greenjuice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:00 pmI disagree. It is obvious that the Pali Canon assumes the 'hinayana' attitude...
The word "
hina" means "
inferior, low; poor, miserable; vile, base, abject, contemptible, despicable".
greenjuice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:00 pm and most of it's material is advice on how to practice that attitude, but it is not exclusively that - there are various Suttas where Buddha simply gives advice to laypeople how to pursue happiness in this life, without mentioning or implying anything about nibbana or moving towards it
The Buddha generally taught the Path to Nibbana to those capable of attaining it.
greenjuice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:00 pm (eg striving to become sotapanna).
There appear to be enough watered-down teachings in the suttas about sotapanna for the lay devotee to aspire to. Regardless, you seem to not believe in the saying: "
When the student is ready, the teacher appears". Your posts appear to have a
Messianic quality, where it is believed the teacher has the power to change the
uninterested unseeking person. Have you ever heard the riddle about: "
How many psychotherapists does it take to change a light bulb?"
greenjuice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:00 pm And even if there weren't such parts, one could still easily take eg the vajrayana attitude.
The Vajrayana appear too busy saving face over sexual misconduct scandals and the Dalai Lama's on-going unBuddhist comments, such as his views on homosexuality, to be saving all sentient beings. Have you heard the phrase: "
Psychotherapist, heal thyself"? All religions, including Theravada & Vajrayana, appear to promote lots of hype they and their adherents don't live up to. A doctrine of "
saving all sentient beings" does not mean it is actually possible to save all sentient beings. Most, if not all, religions have their superstitious elements.
greenjuice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:00 pm How? Well, Buddha's teaching is framed as - to achieve this goals - do these things. But what if i don't want to achieve that goal? One could accept Buddha as a teacher who was correct about the world (rebirth, akusala kamma, anicca, etc) and who had good advice about how to be happy in this life - while not accepting the goal about which he explained how to get to.
It is an established principle in Buddhism the Buddha taught two types of Dhamma: (i) dhamma for laypeople; and (ii) dhamma for monks. Some of your posts on this forum appear to indicate
very serious or grave wrong views, such as
indulgence in sensuality is not an obtacle to Nibbana. This grave wrong view was addressed in MN 22. Such distorted views can be an obstacle to discerning what the Buddha actually taught because there is the belief Nibbana can be attained with sensuality. This leads to not discerning seeking Nibbana is not suitable for all people because most people must engage in sexual/family relationships due to their inherent disposition. Also, not all people are capable of dissolving the "self" survival instinct. Thus, the suttas report the Buddha remained silent when asked would he lead all people to liberation. The suttas are clear the Buddha only would teach his Higher Dhamma to those with little dust in their eyes.
Out of compassion for beings, I surveyed the world with the eye of an Awakened One. As I did so, I saw beings with little dust in their eyes and those with much, those with keen faculties and those with dull, those with good attributes and those with bad, those easy to teach and those hard, some of them seeing disgrace & danger in the other world.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Master Gotama, when having directly known it, you teach the Dhamma to your disciples for the purification of beings, for the overcoming of sorrow & lamentation, for the disappearance of pain & distress, for the attainment of the right method, & for the realization of Unbinding, will all the world be led [to release], or a half of it, or a third?
When this was said, the Blessed One was silent.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
The bottom line is it appears a Mahayana /Vajrayana attitude is not compatible with the Pali Canon because the view does not appear to exist in the Pali Canon that "
all sentient beings can be saved".