This question could be answered by "Amagandha sutta." As it is lengthy may I request downloading it to read.SarathW wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:02 pmWill this apply to other food as well. (say rice)?what this Ven. Gotama is trying to explain is that wholesomeness or unwholesomeness in the act of eating eggs lies on the tanha ( greed) for the taste of the eggs.
Sutta or Vinaya does not say that breaking an egg equal to breaking the first precept Vinaya.
Do they?
Is it wholesome to eat unfertilised eggs?
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Could someone give the Sutta reference and link to Sutta Central?This question could be answered by "Amagandha sutta.
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That is true only for some traditional ways of producing milk and honey, but not for industrial ones.
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Cows need to produce calves in order to be able to give milk. The calves are taken away from their mothers and killed when very young for their meat (veal)
From the website "Compassion in World Farming":
Veal is the meat from calves, mostly pure-bred male dairy calves.
In many countries, including the UK, veal production is closely linked to the dairy industry; male dairy calves cannot produce milk and are often considered unsuitable for beef production.
https://www.ciwf.org.uk/farm-animals/co ... ves/#start
I used to live next door to a farm years ago and it was a very sad cycle of life for the poor creatures.
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Yes, I agree with you both. I was providing more of the buddhist perspective on the issue, which has more to do with direct intent. It is not the intent of the egg consumer what happens at the farm beyond the eggs being taken from the hens.
But sometimes we need to look beyond buddhist ethics and consider the big picture. I like Bhante Sujato's essay where he talks of ahimsa in general and asks, "why do what you can get away with?" in terms of our diet choices when a more non-violent alternative is available. So that is why I try to eat vegan as much as possible and lacto-ovo vegetarian only occasionally and no meat at any time.
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The Vinaya Piṭaka doesn't mention eggs at all, except as the vehicle for two similes. The judgment of Vinaya scholars regarding eggs is derived inferentially from what the texts say about oviparous generation, abortion and the the circumstances in which meat is or is not allowable.
The Amagandha Sutta is irrelevant, for it's merely about the consumption of meat not being a defilement; it's not about killing animals for meat or cooking eggs.
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Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
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(of an animal) producing young by means of eggs which are hatched after they have been laid by the parent, as in birds.
Thank you, Bhante.
Does it appear that your opinion is that prohibition of eggs comming from Vinaya indirectly?
How then the fertilised and unfertilised egg idea came from?
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Please note that in 4th para of amagandha sutta is written that destroying living beings etc is a defilement , and is beyond eating meat .Dhammanando wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:09 pmThe Vinaya Piṭaka doesn't mention eggs at all, except as the vehicle for two similes. The judgment of Vinaya scholars regarding eggs is derived inferentially from what the texts say about oviparous generation, abortion and the the circumstances in which meat is or is not allowable.
The Amagandha Sutta is irrelevant, for it's merely about the consumption of meat not being a defilement; it's not about killing animals for meat or cooking eggs.
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https://legacy.suttacentral.net/si/snp2.2
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https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/snp2.2
It has to be verified however whether eggs are counted as a living being or not. There are arguments for and agsinst . Yet the egg consists of a flesh or gel with its initial nervous system. Just as a baby getting out from the womb the chick coming out of the shell starts breathing oxygen giving its life.
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Sorry for bringing this up again. But I would like to apologise since I was the originator of any conflict in this thread. I think i understand my error.
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I see that the question is , why don't Buddha allows vegetarianism , that would solve the case .
I don't think Buddha were blinded to actually see the so called bad recycling in consumption and raising the livestock .
I don't think Buddha were blinded to actually see the so called bad recycling in consumption and raising the livestock .
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The Buddha does allow it. One can be a vegetarian and Buddhist. The difference is that he doesn't require it.
See the great vegetarian debate:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9229
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Hi Dns ,DNS wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:15 amThe Buddha does allow it. One can be a vegetarian and Buddhist. The difference is that he doesn't require it.
See the great vegetarian debate:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9229
I supposed Buddha should ask the disciples to become vegetarian , he surely know the Risks there for sentient beings of getting slaughter because of his disciples consumption .
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