Bundokji wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:26 pm
Even if the teleological nature is a result of self view, the teachings seem to encourage acknowledging it rather than denying it through formulating the end of suffering as a "goal".
There is no choice but to start there
in the wrong view, but through the nature of desire, through the wrong view - literally at the expense of the wrong view - will be the direction towards the right view.
AN 4.13 wrote:Bhikkhus, there are these four right strivings. What four? (1) Here, a bhikkhu generates desire for the non-arising of unarisen bad unwholesome states; he makes an effort, arouses energy, applies his mind, and strives. (2) He generates desire for the abandoning of arisen bad unwholesome states; he makes an effort, arouses energy, applies his mind, and strives. (3) He generates desire for the arising of unarisen wholesome states; he makes an effort, arouses energy, applies his mind, and strives. (4) He generates desire for the persistence of arisen wholesome states, for their non-decline, increase, expansion, and fulfillment by development; he makes an effort, arouses energy, applies his mind, and strives. These are the four right strivings.”
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This wholesome desire is still teleological in nature, but the key difference here is that the
fulfillment means the abandonment of the nature of purpose. Things would still arise, but without the significance of being "mine".
Bundokji wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:26 pm
Or to put it differently, the aimless nature of things would give rise to "cessation" as an ultimate goal for a purposive being living in an aimless world.
Are you saying that bringing the aimlessness to an end would be the goal for a purposive being? Well, of course it would. If that person had a vested interest in their own existence, and it was the aimless nature that made them suffer, then of course by removing that complication of an aimless world, it would release that being from suffering. In fact, their own death would be a release from suffering even if they were subject to rebirth. But we both know the Buddha didn't teach that.
Take this into consideration:
AN 6.63 wrote:Thought and lust are a man’s sensuality,
Not the various things in the world;
Thought and lust are a man’s sensuality,
The various things just stand there in the world;
But the wise get rid of desire therein.
MN 44 wrote:The five-holding-aggregates, friend Visākha, are not just holding; but neither is there holding apart from the five-holding-aggregates. That, friend Visākha, in the five-holding-aggregates which is desire-&-lust, that holding is therein.
If a person is not free from suffering there is no possibility whatsoever that they would not have purpose. Why? Because craving is present, and even the most distorted denial of purpose is still a purposeful act. My point is that a puthujjana can't even fathom a world without purpose because even their desire for "cessation of things in the world" is a wrong understanding of freedom from suffering. They have to see that it is wrongly understanding the arrangement of any one of the aggregates juxtaposed to the others that leads to regarding any one of them as Self (SN 22.47). Things do not have to cease in order for that distortion to be discerned.
Nevertheless, the Buddha was clear about the nature of things, and it does not change even with the removal of the nature of ownership:
SN 22.38 wrote:If, Ānanda, they were to ask you: ‘Friend Ānanda, what are the things of which an arising is manifest, a ceasing is manifest, a persisting-while-changing is discerned?’—being asked thus, Ānanda, how would you answer?”
His answer: the five aggregates.
So things are never aimless. They have the nature to manifest in those three ways even for the arahant.
Please let me know if I misunderstood your example of aimlessness.
“Life is swept along, short is the life span; no shelters exist for one who has reached old age. Seeing clearly this danger in death, a seeker of peace should drop the world’s bait.” SN 1.3