Do young arahants have to bow down to senior monks?

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Re: Do young arahants have to bow down to senior monks?

Post by retrofuturist » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:37 am

Greetings,

In terms of seniority it's about the numbers of vassa (rains retreats)... not age.

As for how stages of enlightenment fit into the equation, I don't know... better ask a Vinaya expert that one.

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Re: Do young arahants have to bow down to senior monks?

Post by robertk » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:02 am

dhammapal wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:34 am
Do young arahants have to bow down to senior ordinary monks?
yes.

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Re: Do young arahants have to bow down to senior monks?

Post by SarathW » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:08 am

I think this is one of the most important etiquettes lost in the modern age, especially in the West.
No respect for the seniority.
I think we have to apply this to this forum as well. :tongue:
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Re: Do young arahants have to bow down to senior monks?

Post by Bhikkhu_Jayasara » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:28 pm

yes , monastic procedure and protocol has nothing to do with the attainment of the people following it.

another example would be , even if a young monastic became an arahant, they would still need wait until they have 10 vassa to ordain others.


quite frankly, I don't believe the arahant would go around telling other monastics, so no one would know regardless.
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Re: Do young arahants have to bow down to senior monks?

Post by sunnat » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:57 pm

I read a story in the tipitaka a few decades ago so I can only remember bare outline.

Buddha had an encounter with an elder (brahmin?). The elder wanted Buddha to bow to him.

Buddha explained that they had been (eagle, vulture?) in a nest in another life where the elder had been laid as egg first but Buddha had broken out of the shell first and he asked who should be considered senior. The elder conceded that it was Buddha who was senior.

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Re: Do young arahants have to bow down to senior monks?

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:52 pm

Do young arahants have to bow down to senior monks?
Yes.
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