Let it be. It's not the first time he demonstrates such behavior. Anyway, sutta references are provided, everyone can now decide by him/herself, who is more convincing. So far I don't see anyone siding with budo.
Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
I am doing no such thing. I am merely making an observation based on our interaction. I never said your argument was wrong because of this.
So do I.
Thank you.
I never made any 'false claims' about Ariyas. The OP asked about rituals to become a Buddhist. Some people (including me) provided reference that refuge would be closest to such a ritual, taken within the right context. You claim that only Ariyas can take refuge. From there we ended up in this whole rabbit-hole, where both provided references, meanwhile losing sight of the original intent of the thread (I admit to be guilty of that to to some extent).
I think that if you would make it more of your concern, just enough to not just beat people over the head with sutta references and actually try to relate to their views, it would make for a more fruitful interaction and a more caring and considerate Buddhismbudo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:29 pm That's all I do, is provide sutta references, whether or not you agree with those references is none of my concern.
The thing about no-self is not only do you need to recognize no self in yourself, but also in others. If you think I am concerned with individuals on this forum, then you give me too much credit. It doesn't matter to me who I am engaging with and what their individual ceremonies or rituals are. I simply reference suttas, it's up to them to decide what to do with that information.
Dry up what pertains to the past,
do not take up anything to come later.
If you will not grasp in the middle,
you will live at peace.—Snp.5.11,v.1099 (tr. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
Whatever is will be was. —Ven. Ñānamoli, A Thinkers Notebook, §221
do not take up anything to come later.
If you will not grasp in the middle,
you will live at peace.—Snp.5.11,v.1099 (tr. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
Whatever is will be was. —Ven. Ñānamoli, A Thinkers Notebook, §221
Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
It's amazing how people go to such great lengths to quiet or censor people who throw a wrench into their ideological machinery.
The ego is that invested huh.
You worry about your conduct, I'll worry about mine.
Your comments about my conduct are ad hominem and off topic.
Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
I'm sorry to see you misinterpret my intentions. The last thing I want to do is censor people. All I want is an open dialog, helpful to the OP and us, with respect to both sides.
I think we have reached the end of this exchange, I feel not much useful ground can be gained on this subject anymore for now.
Dry up what pertains to the past,
do not take up anything to come later.
If you will not grasp in the middle,
you will live at peace.—Snp.5.11,v.1099 (tr. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
Whatever is will be was. —Ven. Ñānamoli, A Thinkers Notebook, §221
do not take up anything to come later.
If you will not grasp in the middle,
you will live at peace.—Snp.5.11,v.1099 (tr. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
Whatever is will be was. —Ven. Ñānamoli, A Thinkers Notebook, §221
Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
However, it is something I find useful in maintaining my faith. Here's Ajahn Sumedho on ritual: viewtopic.php?t=21616&start=30#p310828
Ajahn Sumedho: I personally like rituals. They are quite pleasant to do; they are calming. One does them with a group of people. It is doing something that is pleasant, together and in unison. The intention is always good: to radiate kindness and to chant the teachings of the Buddha in Pali. It tends to uplift and inspire the minds of many people. That is its only function as far as I can tell.
...
Mike
Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Good quote from Ajahn Sumedho. It's worth noting that Sumedho doesn't think that it has the function of conferring a particular status - "a Buddhist" for example - on the participants. It's about intending rather than defining.mikenz66 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:19 amHowever, it is something I find useful in maintaining my faith. Here's Ajahn Sumedho on ritual: viewtopic.php?t=21616&start=30#p310828Ajahn Sumedho: I personally like rituals. They are quite pleasant to do; they are calming. One does them with a group of people. It is doing something that is pleasant, together and in unison. The intention is always good: to radiate kindness and to chant the teachings of the Buddha in Pali. It tends to uplift and inspire the minds of many people. That is its only function as far as I can tell.
...
Mike
Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Is this a description or a prescription?mikenz66 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:19 am However, it is something I find useful in maintaining my faith. Here's Ajahn Sumedho on ritual: viewtopic.php?t=21616&start=30#p310828Ajahn Sumedho: I personally like rituals. They are quite pleasant to do; they are calming. One does them with a group of people. It is doing something that is pleasant, together and in unison. The intention is always good: to radiate kindness and to chant the teachings of the Buddha in Pali. It tends to uplift and inspire the minds of many people. That is its only function as far as I can tell.
...
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!
Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Devotional rituals, puja, can be helpful in debasing self. May the Buddha walk on me, not in the mud. Loosening the attachment to self. Also, after a long sit, a good spine stretch is nice.
Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
He doesn't state it as merely his opinion, but as an absolute. Hence, it's a veiled prescription.
Yes, and I know his teachings.Did you read the interview, or just the single paragraph I quoted?
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!