Dhamma that triggers SJWs

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Being a Social Justice Warrior



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A man who desires to keep being male from birth to birth, let him avoid another’s man wife as a man with washed feet the mire.
A woman who desires to become male from birth to birth, let her worship her husband like he is the king of heaven.
seem what sex you born is not defining what you actually are without physical body. Like a female can born as a male, other words a physical body male can be a female.

am i sjw based on what i just did?

to develop further, then an animal can be a human, hence human is temporally animal because of some reasons.
When I passed from that birth I was born in a family among the Vajji people but I was neither man nor woman, for it is a very hard thing to attain the being born as a man;—this was the fatal consequence of my going after other men’s wives
here, it seem like when you chase other men wives its harder and harder to attain birth as a man. So it is possible that there is a "choice" done from afterlife to what to born into or as but consequences make it easier or harder to choose.

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budo wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:23 am
Do you see the problem with leftism and their ideas?
What seems to cause a lot of trouble is the mindset of “do you see the problem with…”; the endless search for what is bothersome. This is not just directed at you, budo, it is everyone. Pick any ideological spectrum and that is all either side does to one another. It is a battle to publicly rationalize and stabilize one another’s private views with the hopes that the external can match the internal – there is nothing more harmonious in terms of worldliness than having external conditions meet with one’s internal preferences; but aside from the Buddha’s recommendation to ordain if one is looking for the best external conditions for success, such externally directed harmonizing does not have very much to do with the practice. In fact, moving against the grain is a deliberate rejection of such an equalization. Obviously the teaching is conducive to creating better external conditions, but it is not the principle reason the Buddha intended (if it were, the suttas would be far more explicit on the matter).

Back to SJWs…the reason people categorized as such make others so uncomfortable is because they are impolite and unwavering about issues that don’t concern the majority of people, and yet the prospect of those issues affecting change is apparently very threatening. They also happen to be doing it in a way that garners quite a bit of media attention. Here in NYC a gathering of less than 50 people may get quite a bit of regional media attention. I find it perplexing, but I can also understand that many frustrated and passionate people have entered the field of journalism, so it is no surprise that these stories are getting so much play. Also, I think the internet is spooking those who are threatened by SJWs; just because “it made it on the internet” doesn’t mean it is going to makes its way into your home. Even so, people should ask themselves what are they so afraid of. If you want to remain who you are, then do so.

All in all, while I personally would not try to affect change using such methods, or rather, change at that level is not my first priority, I try to remember that I was once impolite and unwavering when I was rejecting norms as a teenager, and that I am still impolite and unwavering in my relentless internal pursuit for knowledge. If I’m going to “see the problem with” anything, it is going to be how I think and how I act, with the secondary hope that what I do and say will positively affect those around me without me having to tell them what I find displeasing in the world.

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the birth stories occur in the suttas, they aren't the same as the 'jataka tales', apart from the other suttas
the suttas used to be grouped together according to that format, i.e., birth stories, verses, amazing events, etc.
you should be more careful calling things 'dhamma', especially when you're using it as a platform for your machismo
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

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SDC wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 5:06 pm
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Back to SJWs…the reason people categorized as such make others so uncomfortable is because they are impolite and unwavering about issues ......
Are you claiming that "a person who expresses or promotes socially progressive views" is impolite and unwavering about issues?......isn't "a person who expresses or promotes socially progressive views" the kind of person who gets associated with the pejorative views associated with the moniker "sjw"?
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Greetings,

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Hi everyone. We don't want to get into discussion about SJW's, in and of themselves, here at Dhamma Wheel.

This topic is connected to the Dhamma, and needs to remain connected to the Dhamma moving forward... and discussion of SJW's, in and of themselves, is not that.

Instead, I would recommend topics at Dharma Wheel Engaged, such as Hellish Psyche of SJWs or What is an SJW? where these matters could be more profitably explored.

If this topic gets too far off track, it might find its way to the Hot Topics section, where each individual post will require moderator confirmation that it is on topic.

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

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salayatananirodha wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 5:29 pm
the birth stories occur in the suttas
for example? are the more than 10? thanks
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retrofuturist wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 2:38 am
This topic is connected to the Dhamma, and needs to remain connected to the Dhamma moving forward... and discussion of SJW's, in and of themselves, is not that.
If this topic is supposed to be about the Dhamma, I think that it would have been much better to use a thread title like:
"Extracts from suttas and jataka tales that I imagine that some people whose views I disagree with might have difficulty accepting."

When labels such as "SJW", "Facist", "Nazi", "Cafe Buddhist", or whatever, are wheeled out, I find it very difficult to take the argument seriously. Maybe that's just me...

What was the Dhamma point (I think it got lost in the noise)? That some of the suttas contain statements and suggestions that seem contrary to the way modern societies and relationships work? That's actually something worth discussing.

This advice was in the OP, and doesn't seem too bad, though perhaps there are some men who might be uncomfortable with following all of the suggestions:
A husband should serve his wife as the western quarter in five ways: by treating her with honor, by not looking down on her, by not being unfaithful, by relinquishing authority to her, and by presenting her with adornments. A wife served by her husband in these five ways shows compassion to him in five ways. She’s well-organized in her work. She manages the domestic help. She’s not unfaithful. She preserves his earnings. She’s deft and tireless in all her duties. A wife served by her husband in these five ways shows compassion to him in these five ways. And that’s how the western quarter is covered, kept safe and free of peril.
https://suttacentral.net/dn31/en/sujato#sc52
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Greetings Mike,
mikenz66 wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 5:14 am
If this topic is supposed to be about the Dhamma, I think that it would have been much better to use a thread title like:
"Extracts from suttas and jataka tales that I imagine that some people whose views I disagree with might have difficulty accepting."
Or "Sutta teachings that could be deemed "problematic" by Engaged Buddhists".

It could have been any number of things, but I don't really think it's that unclear what the topic is.

However, to take your point, the OP could take a look at A guide on how to get the most out of your new topics and see whether anything could be made clearer in the future.

Anyway...

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Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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retrofuturist wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 5:49 am
Greetings Mike,
mikenz66 wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 5:14 am
If this topic is supposed to be about the Dhamma, I think that it would have been much better to use a thread title like:
"Extracts from suttas and jataka tales that I imagine that some people whose views I disagree with might have difficulty accepting."
Or "Sutta teachings that could be deemed "problematic" by Engaged Buddhists".

It could have been any number of things, but I don't really think it's that unclear what the topic is.

However, to take your point, the OP could take a look at A guide on how to get the most out of your new topics and see whether anything could be made clearer in the future.

Anyway...

:focus:

Metta,
Paul. :)
So what is the point of discussion or is the OP just intended to be a list?

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When labels such as "SJW", "Facist", "Nazi", "Cafe Buddhist", or whatever, are wheeled out, I find it very difficult to take the argument seriously. Maybe that's just me..
I didn't even know what "SJW" meant and had to look it up! Its not a term that occurs in my everyday life away from the internet.

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Greetings,
Mr Man wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 5:58 am
So what is the point of discussion or is the OP just intended to be a list?
That's probably a question best put to the OP, but list/resource topics are nothing new.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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retrofuturist wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 5:49 am
It could have been any number of things, but I don't really think it's that unclear what the topic is.
I take is that he vehemently disagrees with certain views. Is that how you read it?

As I said, the issue of how seriously we should take the advice in the suttas regarding how society should function is an interesting question and I'd be interested to hear whether the advice of the quote I (and he) gave above should be followed, particularly the bolded part:
A husband should serve his wife as the western quarter in five ways: by treating her with honor, by not looking down on her, by not being unfaithful, by relinquishing authority to her, and by presenting her with adornments.
This suggests quite a collaborative approach to marriage, which may be surprising if one expects to just read about a woman obeying her husband...

Here's some other interesting suttas:
“Mendicants, there are these five powers of a female. What five? Attractiveness, wealth, relatives, children, and ethical behavior. These are the five powers of a female. A female living at home with these five powers has her husband under her mastery.”
https://suttacentral.net/sn37.26/en/sujato
There are five things that are easy to get for females who have made merit.
...
‘Having been born into a suitable family, and married into a suitable family, and living at home without a co-wife, and having had children, may I master my husband!’
...
https://suttacentral.net/sn37.32/en/sujato#sc2
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retrofuturist wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 6:26 am
Greetings,
Mr Man wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 5:58 am
So what is the point of discussion or is the OP just intended to be a list?
That's probably a question best put to the OP, but list/resource topics are nothing new.

Metta,
Paul. :)
Perhaps someone from the moderation team could have the op clarify what the thread is actually about

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Mr Man wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 6:59 am
Perhaps someone from the moderation team could have the op clarify what the thread is actually about
Seconded.

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