Jerafreyr wrote: ↑
Tue May 14, 2019 6:04 pm
Some things do seem solid and stable I agree. However, they are like the presentation of a rainbow from a distance. When you closely look you will find no essence. When you wake up from the dream of self you will breathe relief and your body will be suffused with joy; the mind and appearances become luminous.
Also, I really like the suttas. They are imprinted with the awakened mind. It's only the intellect that contaminates the their magic. You should find a teacher that understands them and doesn't interrupt with commentary too much.
when persisting or staying is evident, the object is always on, there is no change or vanishing or appearing evident, it is unconditional, it is not from a cause. These are the characteristics how you know to recognize it.
Jerafreyr wrote: ↑
Tue May 14, 2019 4:00 pm
By seen the Buddha is referring to perception and cognition. You will not perceive the unconditioned element nor directly cognize it. It is beyond the intellect and can only be understood by what it is not. Similar to the space element. The Buddha had said on many occasions the unconditioned is anatta. There is not one thing that can be called self.
Mental faculties is for to know unconditinal, unborn thing. It is You who is aware of it and attains it. Its your mental faculties what notice it then also you will use your own will to do it too.
And it reeks of self, it is concetration upon yourself, samadhi. It is union with self, you try and try to get more and more come equal to the undying. It is you concetrate on it but can't attain onepointed concetration on it what would be always on, the mechanics how you eventually do it is written in the descriptions of 8th jhana prior to attaining cessation of perception and feeling.
the unmoving awareness comes really evident when everything else is ceased, and becoming out of that state, you gain knowledge, and can use that knowledge.
It is there where you get to know how the small self or being is not your self, impermanent etc.
In addition you get energetical body adjustments..
also it starts to repeat on several levels, in 3rd person, in first person, but its not the same, it comes more substance-like, the clear cut ice state comes soft warm and substance-like..and its not all there is things about breath and sensual desires related, the objective will move there and the self realization thing comes secondary bias
I can talk practically since i have experience and a lot it seem, you(and others who talk everything illusion thing) skip all things practical i have put quetly into my sentences..
you can use different word on self, but it reeks self and being aware. Exactly what identification tastes like how you would know your self and can refer it in 3rd person. Like wiki says it is neurological, if you don't have it it would be a rare neurological malfunction, so don't even pretend you know what is meant with the no self and on what.
also all states are in body origin- knotting in body and if you go "beyond mind" then there will be winds
/breath go through these spots and you can use your mind and rather have to use it to unknot go through these points and repeat it in different event in real life where you usually where unware and unspiritual you do attain there skill to use breath to untie knots etc.