Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

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Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by ihrjordan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:17 pm

Reach the goal and find out for yourself...I think you may be surprised at the conclusion you come to :buddha2:

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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by budo » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:20 pm

Not according to Buddhism, and definitely not according to Theravada

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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by ihrjordan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:32 pm

How so? The Buddha never said he wasn't an avatar of lord vishnu and he certainly didn't deny the existence of a creator god. He said if there is a god he is to blame for this mass of suffering...indeed lol but as we know the sun gives life but it also brings destruction we need an equal balance of both. and while on the top he didn't deny the existence of a true self either...he stated that the five aggregates affected by suffering are not self. very different if you understand it correctly. What abou the five aggregates unaffected by suffering? Are they self? He doesn't say lol
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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by ihrjordan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:36 pm

budo wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:20 pm
Not according to Buddhism, and definitely not according to Theravada
and to beg the question are you an arahant? If you havent reach the goal for yourself you're only parroting thing nyou've read online and in textbooks.

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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by budo » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:06 pm

Buddhism is constantly being hijacked by hindus, atheists, altruists, political ideologists, you name it. Nothing but greed, greed, and more greed.

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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by ihrjordan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:10 pm

Not to mention that the buddha said to essentially throw his dharma away once you reach the goal...forget everything he taught in the same way that you leave behind a raft used to cross a river. You wouldn't carry it around the shore and in the forest with you...it'd be an unnesecary burden to do so. Be careful not get to caught up in intellectual pride. Only once you reach the goal can you confidently answer the question posed.

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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by ihrjordan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:13 pm

budo wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:06 pm
Buddhism is constantly being hijacked by hindus, atheists, altruists, political ideologists, you name it. Nothing but greed, greed, and more greed.
Well are they to blame or is it your over attachment to "Buddhism" which is the real problem? Think it over

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Post by ihrjordan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:15 pm

I myself am no longer "buddhist" I just live and love my life. I fulfill my dharma on a day to day basis without even trying to do so. I don't want to be a "Buddhist" again either its just another identity which is subject to change and dissatisfaction. Being a buddhist a hindu or a christian signifies clinging to concepts an impermanent self Buddhists suffer the awakened do not. Did you know that the buddha wasn't a "buddhist"? lol
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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by budo » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:18 pm

Well, if something specific can be anything, then everything means nothing. Which reminds me, I forgot to add the taoists to the list of hijackers as well.

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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by ihrjordan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:18 pm

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Well, if something specific can be anything, then everything means nothing. Which reminds me, I forgot to add the taoists to the list of hijackers as well.
I myself am no longer "buddhist" I just live and love my life. I fulfill my dharma on a day to day basis without even trying to do so. I don't want to be a "Buddhist" again either its just another identity which is subject to change and dissatisfaction. Being a buddhist a hindu or a christian signifies clinging to concepts of an impermanent self. Buddhists suffer the awakened do not. Did you know that the buddha wasn't a "buddhist"? lol

I wanted to make sure you read this have a good day

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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by DNS » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:30 pm

You appear to have an affinity for Bhikkhus Yuttadhammo and Samahita and believe they are arahants.
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=33984#p506504

What do they about Buddha being an avatar of Vishnu?

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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by ihrjordan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:36 pm

DNS wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:30 pm
You appear to have an affinity for Bhikkhus Yuttadhammo and Samahita and believe they are arahants.
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=33984#p506504

What do they about Buddha being an avatar of Vishnu?
No I don't "believe" they are Arahants I know they are. Vishnu is is alpha and omega the begining and the end. Everything and nothing. Arahantship is going beyond concepts of "death" Nobody ever truly dies arahants just understand this with unshakeable confidence. As I've said before it takes an Arahant to point out other arahants. If you yourself aren't one then can you really be considered a good judge of character?

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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by DNS » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:49 pm

ihrjordan wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:36 pm
No I don't "believe" they are Arahants I know they are.
Okay, then like I asked, what do they say about Buddha being an avatar of Vishnu? What do those Theravada bhikkhus say about that? Do they agree with you? Just curious.

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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by salayatananirodha » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:06 pm

no
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

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Re: Was the Buddha an avatar of lord vishnu?

Post by Coëmgenu » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:55 pm

IMO I would advise to go to the source text of this myth that the Buddha was an avatar of Viṣṇu. In the Viṣṇupurāṇa, Book III Section XVIII, Viṣṇu's descent and birth as the ascetic Gautama is explained an contextualized as a ploy to lead heretic asurāḥ (demonic titans) away from the Vedas, to cause them to reject the Vedas, to slander them, &c.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/vp/vp092.htm.

One can only assume that those asurāḥ became the early bhikṣusaṁgha, the followers of the heretic avatar Gautama, the heretic designed to lead them astray as punishment.

In my opinion this myth is an anti-Buddhist Hindu equivalent to a Chick tract.
如無為,如是難見、不動、不屈、不死、無漏、覆蔭、洲渚、濟渡、依止、擁護、不流轉、離熾焰、離燒然、流通、清涼、微妙、安隱、無病、無所有、涅槃。
Like this is the uncreated, like this is that which is difficult to realize, with no moving, no bending, no dying. Utterly lacking secretions and smothered in the dark, it is the island shore. Where there is ferrying, it is the crossing. It is dependency's ceasing, it is the end of circulating transmissions. It is the exhaustion of the flame, it is the ending of the burning. Flowing openly, pure and cool, with secret subtlety, and calm occultation, lacking ailment, lacking owning, nirvāṇa.
Asaṁskṛtadharmasūtra, Sermon on the Uncreated Phenomenon, T99.224b7, Saṁyuktāgama 890

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