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Devas

Post by Manopubbangama » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:14 pm

Should we have a special assembly for the Devas here?

The Devas can be members of the sangha, too.

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Re: Devas

Post by DooDoot » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:54 am

Manopubbangama wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:14 pm
Should we have a special assembly for the Devas here? The Devas can be members of the sangha, too.
If Devas are mere "members" of the Sangha, why a "special" assembly for them? I think in the suttas we will find the Buddha attempted to make the Devas comprehend they are not so special at all.
Good sir Moggallana... When I (Sakka, king of the gods) had won that war and returned from it as a conqueror, I had the Vejayanta Palace Built. Good sir Moggallana, the Vejayanta Palace has a hundred towers, and each tower has seven hundred upper chambers, and each tower has seven nymphs and each nymph has seven maids. Would you like to see the loveliness of the Vejayanta Palace, good sir Moggallana?

Then the venerable Maha Moggallana considered thus: "This spirit is living much too negligently. What if I stirred up a sense of urgency in him?" Then the venerable Maha Moggallana performed such a feat of supernormal power that with the point of his toe he made the Vejayanta Palace shake and quake and tremble.

https://www.dhammatalks.net/Books9/Bhik ... _Sutta.htm
And when the Blessed One had passed away, simultaneously with his Parinibbana, Sakka, king of the gods, spoke this stanza:

Transient are all compounded things,
Subject to arise and vanish;
Having come into existence they pass away;
Good is the peace when they forever cease.

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Re: Devas

Post by retrofuturist » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:14 am

Greetings,
Manopubbangama wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:14 pm
Should we have a special assembly for the Devas here?
We have no distinction in this regard at Dhamma Wheel between the male/female, ordained/lay assemblies - it's all the same access, with the same forums.

That said, if we get enough demand from devas for a special assembly, we'll seriously consider it.

:alien:

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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Re: Devas

Post by Manopubbangama » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:47 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:14 am
Greetings,
Manopubbangama wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:14 pm
Should we have a special assembly for the Devas here?
We have no distinction in this regard at Dhamma Wheel between the male/female, ordained/lay assemblies - it's all the same access, with the same forums.

That said, if we get enough demand from devas for a special assembly, we'll seriously consider it.

:alien:

Metta,
Paul. :)
Paul, do you think devas can type on keyboards and post on the internet?

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Re: Devas

Post by DooDoot » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:50 am

Manopubbangama wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:47 am
do you think devas can type on keyboards and post on the internet?
Yes. They are just people; but with supernormal psychic powers or, otherwise, of great social power & influence (such as Kings, Presidents, Oligarchs, etc). Unfortunately, psychic powers can only send thought messages (but cannot type).

There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.

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Re: Devas

Post by Manopubbangama » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:25 pm

I think you guys are a bit mistaken.

There is nothing in the suttas to suggest that the devas can type on keyboards.....

Really, thats a silly idea, isn't it?


I mean a place for us to placate the assembly of devas.

Surely this is something that the suttas condone as wholesome?

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Re: Devas

Post by retrofuturist » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:36 pm

Greetings,
Manopubbangama wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:25 pm
I mean a place for us to placate the assembly of devas.

Surely this is something that the suttas condone as wholesome?
Create a topic in the Shrine Room then?

:shrug:

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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Re: Devas

Post by Manopubbangama » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:15 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:36 pm
Greetings,
Manopubbangama wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:25 pm
I mean a place for us to placate the assembly of devas.

Surely this is something that the suttas condone as wholesome?
Create a topic in the Shrine Room then?

:shrug:

Metta,
Paul. :)
Paul....

Do you really think the devas would appreciate that?

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Re: Devas

Post by Coëmgenu » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:15 am

Why would they stoop to surfing the Internet?
如無為,如是難見、不動、不屈、不死、無漏、覆蔭、洲渚、濟渡、依止、擁護、不流轉、離熾焰、離燒然、流通、清涼、微妙、安隱、無病、無所有、涅槃。
Like this is the uncreated, like this is that which is difficult to realize, with no moving, no bending, no dying. Utterly lacking secretions and smothered in the dark, it is the island shore. Where there is ferrying, it is the crossing. It is dependency's ceasing, it is the end of circulating transmissions. It is the exhaustion of the flame, it is the ending of the burning. Flowing openly, pure and cool, with secret subtlety, and calm occultation, lacking ailment, lacking owning, nirvāṇa.
Asaṁskṛtadharmasūtra, Sermon on the Uncreated Phenomenon, T99.224b7, Saṁyuktāgama 890

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Re: Devas

Post by Coëmgenu » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:16 am

Manopubbangama wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:15 pm
retrofuturist wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:36 pm
Greetings,
Manopubbangama wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:25 pm
I mean a place for us to placate the assembly of devas.

Surely this is something that the suttas condone as wholesome?
Create a topic in the Shrine Room then?

:shrug:

Metta,
Paul. :)
Paul....

Do you really think the devas would appreciate that?
Well, shrines are how you generally venerate them.
如無為,如是難見、不動、不屈、不死、無漏、覆蔭、洲渚、濟渡、依止、擁護、不流轉、離熾焰、離燒然、流通、清涼、微妙、安隱、無病、無所有、涅槃。
Like this is the uncreated, like this is that which is difficult to realize, with no moving, no bending, no dying. Utterly lacking secretions and smothered in the dark, it is the island shore. Where there is ferrying, it is the crossing. It is dependency's ceasing, it is the end of circulating transmissions. It is the exhaustion of the flame, it is the ending of the burning. Flowing openly, pure and cool, with secret subtlety, and calm occultation, lacking ailment, lacking owning, nirvāṇa.
Asaṁskṛtadharmasūtra, Sermon on the Uncreated Phenomenon, T99.224b7, Saṁyuktāgama 890

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Re: Devas

Post by Manopubbangama » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:48 pm

Coëmgenu wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:15 am
Why would they stoop to surfing the Internet?
They wouldn't.

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Re: Devas

Post by Coëmgenu » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:21 pm

Manopubbangama wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:48 pm
Coëmgenu wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:15 am
Why would they stoop to surfing the Internet?
They wouldn't.
Yeah, I misread your post and thought you wanted a forum to commune with devāḥ in.
如無為,如是難見、不動、不屈、不死、無漏、覆蔭、洲渚、濟渡、依止、擁護、不流轉、離熾焰、離燒然、流通、清涼、微妙、安隱、無病、無所有、涅槃。
Like this is the uncreated, like this is that which is difficult to realize, with no moving, no bending, no dying. Utterly lacking secretions and smothered in the dark, it is the island shore. Where there is ferrying, it is the crossing. It is dependency's ceasing, it is the end of circulating transmissions. It is the exhaustion of the flame, it is the ending of the burning. Flowing openly, pure and cool, with secret subtlety, and calm occultation, lacking ailment, lacking owning, nirvāṇa.
Asaṁskṛtadharmasūtra, Sermon on the Uncreated Phenomenon, T99.224b7, Saṁyuktāgama 890

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