In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:
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Re: In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:
Topic bumped back to top of active topics at the request of a member, to see if more can vote in this poll to see where members are at on this topic.
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Re: In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:
If you don't count the first and last options in the poll then we currently have a sort of 2 way tie:
37% for non-existence as we know it, but not annihilation since there is no self to begin with
37% for some kind of subtle existence
37% for non-existence as we know it, but not annihilation since there is no self to begin with
37% for some kind of subtle existence
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Hello,
It would be somewhat logical to make a summary like that [adding up small "similar" ones to rank up against a "unique" one], only when the number of option avaliable to choose [for each and every individual] is limited to one.
Metta,
𝓑𝓾𝓭𝓭𝓱𝓪 𝓗𝓪𝓭 𝓤𝓷𝓮𝓺𝓾𝓲𝓿𝓸𝓬𝓪𝓵𝓵𝔂 𝓓𝓮𝓬𝓵𝓪𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓣𝓱𝓪𝓽
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- Iᴅᴇᴀ ᴏꜰ Sᴏᴜʟ ɪs Oᴜᴛᴄᴏᴍᴇ ᴏꜰ ᴀɴ Uᴛᴛᴇʀʟʏ Fᴏᴏʟɪsʜ Vɪᴇᴡ
V. Nanananda
𝓐𝓷𝓪𝓽𝓽ā 𝓜𝓮𝓪𝓷𝓼 𝓣𝓱𝓪𝓽 𝓣𝓱𝓮𝓻𝓮 𝓘𝓼
- Nᴏ sᴜᴄʜ ᴛʜɪɴɢ ᴀs ᴀ Sᴇʟғ, Sᴏᴜʟ, Eɢᴏ, Sᴘɪʀɪᴛ, ᴏʀ Āᴛᴍᴀɴ
V. Buddhādasa
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Another possible (or maybe technically not) modification is to reduce the votes to two choices only.
Good and evil have no fixed form. It's as easy to turn from doing bad to doing good as it is to flip over the hand from the back to the palm. It's simply up to us to do it. Master Hsuan Hua.
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In the great nibbana thread, tharpa wrote:
Note: not that the majority decides what is true and correct of course as that would be argumentum ad populum. Just curious.
And yet we find eternalist type views in forest traditions:tharpa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:38 amAbsolutely not. Such a view is sometimes found in fringe Mahayana sects though, such as the Nichiren.Santi253 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:02 pmThis is something I don't know a whole lot about. Does the typical Theravada Buddhist, in traditionally Theravadin countries, believe that the Buddha remains present in the world?David N. Snyder wrote: True, but Mun is more of an outlier, not a typical, mainstream theravada view.
But to give the Buddha's teachings on this: The Buddha was asked thousands of questions during his 45 years of teaching. There were a very, very few he declined to answer. One of the ones he declined to answer was, "Does an arahant exist after death, or not exist after death?"
Please note that a Buddha is one of the three kinds of arahants.
And see also:Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:43 pm It'd be a good idea to save this file Ajahn Martin , in case of probable future deletion, similar to the fate of "some links" mentioned in the pdf.
Ajahn Martin --->Consciousness or vinnana is one of the khandhas and of course is not eternal. The citta is eternal. Just remember what the Lord Buddha said, the Thatagata after dead neither is nor is not. The citta is not individualistic, not personal. How could the Lord Buddha talk to Acharn Mun presenting Dhamma to him in the form of the Lord Buddha, if there is nothing that is eternal and everything dies away? We grasp the term citta wrongly, we think every beeing has a citta, no that is not right, every being is part of that one citta, that is eternal. This would be the correct view.
Here at DW in our very small sample size, we see about an even split in views, but would the poll results be much more skewed toward eternalism among Buddhists in Buddhist countries; i.e. more of the born-Buddhist adherents as opposed to mostly convert Buddhists on english-language Buddhist forums?Dhammanando wrote: ↑Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:40 pmI think "common" would be a bit of an understatement. The primordial citta conception and similar strains of thinly disguised soul theory and semi-eternalism are ubiquitous in these traditions.Mkoll wrote:In your experience, is this concept of a primordial citta common in the Ajahn Mun and Chah forest traditions?
Note: not that the majority decides what is true and correct of course as that would be argumentum ad populum. Just curious.
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Re: In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:
being forever yourself, is extreme
being destroyed, is extreme
truly it's both & neither
being destroyed, is extreme
truly it's both & neither
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Is there here-&-now Parinibbana?
In the same way, a cruel individual extinguishes it by not being cruel. An individual who kills extinguishes it by not killing. …
Evameva kho, cunda, vihiṃsakassa purisapuggalassa avihiṃsā hoti parinibbānāya, pāṇātipātissa purisapuggalassa pāṇātipātā veramaṇī hoti parinibbānāya
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‘The Blessed One is awakened, tamed, serene, crossed over, and extinguished. And he teaches Dhamma for awakening, taming, serenity, crossing over, and extinguishment.’
buddho so bhagavā bodhāya dhammaṃ deseti, danto so bhagavā damathāya dhammaṃ deseti, santo so bhagavā samathāya dhammaṃ deseti, tiṇṇo so bhagavā taraṇāya dhammaṃ deseti, parinibbuto so bhagavā parinibbānāya dhammaṃ desetī
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Not grasping, they’re not anxious. Not being anxious, they personally become extinguished.
Anupādiyaṃ na paritassati, aparitassaṃ paccattaññeva parinibbāyati:
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Venerable sir, what is the cause and reason why some beings here do not attain Nibbāna in this very life? And what is the cause and reason why some beings here attain Nibbāna in this very life?
ko nu kho, bhante, hetu, ko paccayo yena m’idhekacce sattā diṭṭheva dhamme no parinibbāyanti?
There are, lord of the devas, forms cognizable by the eye that are desirable, lovely, agreeable, pleasing, sensually enticing, tantalizing. If a bhikkhu seeks delight in them, welcomes them, and remains holding to them, his consciousness becomes dependent upon them and clings to them. A bhikkhu with clinging does not attain Nibbāna.
Ko pana, bhante, hetu, ko paccayo yena m’idhekacce sattā diṭṭheva dhamme parinibbāyantī
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This is a very, very, good question. I ask it myself often and I've never yet got an answer that didn't seem improvised.
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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If life is suffering then nibbana is the stopping of suffering . Parinibbana would be Full Stop .
However , put it another way . The disappearance of darkness (ie the ending of suffering) doesn't mean there is No Lights !
However , put it another way . The disappearance of darkness (ie the ending of suffering) doesn't mean there is No Lights !
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Re: In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:
Hi DNS,
http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_ ... bbaana.htm
And the word "Nibbana" has several meanings:
http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_r/nibbaana.htm
This poll doesn't make much sense, since the word "Parinibbana' has the same meaning as the word "Nibbana":
http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_ ... bbaana.htm
And the word "Nibbana" has several meanings:
http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_r/nibbaana.htm
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Re: In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:
It's often differentiated as:Assaji wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:01 pm Hi DNS,
This poll doesn't make much sense, since the word "Parinibbana' has the same meaning as the word "Nibbana":
http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_ ... bbaana.htm
And the word "Nibbana" has several meanings:
http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_r/nibbaana.htm
Nibbana can be obtained while one is alive, with effluents.
Parinibbana is Nibbana without effluents.
Re: In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:
Final Nibbana. No more becoming in the rounds of samsara is what is meant here.Assaji wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:01 pm Hi DNS,
This poll doesn't make much sense, since the word "Parinibbana' has the same meaning as the word "Nibbana":
http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_ ... bbaana.htm
And the word "Nibbana" has several meanings:
http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_r/nibbaana.htm
Some are born in the human womb,
evildoers in hell,
those on the good course go
to heaven,
while those without effluent:
totally unbound.
— Dhp 126
Liberation is the inevitable fruit of the path and is bound to blossom forth when there is steady and persistent practice. The only requirements for reaching the final goal are two: to start and to continue. If these requirements are met there is no doubt the goal will be attained. This is the Dhamma, the undeviating law.
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According to Bhikkhu Bodhi's analysis this is a misreading.DNS wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:13 pmIt's often differentiated as:Assaji wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:01 pm Hi DNS,
This poll doesn't make much sense, since the word "Parinibbana' has the same meaning as the word "Nibbana":
http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_ ... bbaana.htm
And the word "Nibbana" has several meanings:
http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_r/nibbaana.htm
Nibbana can be obtained while one is alive, with effluents.
Parinibbana is Nibbana without effluents.
https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.p ... 40#p209545
There is quite a lot more detail in Bhikkhu Bodhi's note...Bhikkhu Bodhi wrote:
NIBBĀNA, PARINIBBĀNA
As is well known, nibbāna literally means the extinction of a fire. In popular works on Buddhism, nibbāna plain and simple is often taken to signify Nibbāna as experienced in life, parinibbāna Nibbāna attained at death. This is a misinterpretation.
...
The suttas distinguish between two elements of Nibbāna: the Nibbāna element with residue (sa-upādisesa-nibbānadhātu) and the Nibbāna element without residue (anupādisesanibbānadhātu )—the residue (upādisesa) being the compound of the five aggregates produced by prior craving and kamma (It 38–39). The former is the extinction of lust, hatred, and delusion attained by the arahant while alive; the latter is the remainderless cessation of all conditioned existence that occurs with the arahant’s death.
...
Mike
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Parinibbana is a mere concept. Couldn't find this tick option.
Cleared. αδόξαστος.