Does consciousness have a nutriment???

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Re: Does consciousness have a nutriment???

Post by auto » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:30 pm

‘Sabbe sattā āhāraṭṭhitikā’— ‘All sentient beings are sustained by food.’

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Re: Does consciousness have a nutriment???

Post by DooDoot » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:24 pm

auto wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:30 pm
‘Sabbe sattā āhāraṭṭhitikā’— ‘All sentient beings are sustained by food.’

https://suttacentral.net/an10.27/en/sujato
Thanks for that Auto but still does not answer the question. Regards
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Re: Does consciousness have a nutriment???

Post by thomaslaw » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:23 am

DooDoot wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:24 pm
auto wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:30 pm
‘Sabbe sattā āhāraṭṭhitikā’— ‘All sentient beings are sustained by food.’

https://suttacentral.net/an10.27/en/sujato
Thanks for that Auto but still does not answer the question. Regards
I think 'consciousness ahara' is namarupa (SN 12.63). In consciousness ahara, one should know namarupa.

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Re: Does consciousness have a nutriment???

Post by DooDoot » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:57 am

thomaslaw wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:23 am
I think 'consciousness ahara' is namarupa (SN 12.63). In consciousness ahara, one should know namarupa.
SN 12.63 appears to say:

1. edible food is ahara for sensual desire

2. contact is ahara for feeling

3. volition is ahara for craving

4. consciousness is ahara for nama-rupa
When physical food is comprehended, passion for the five strings of sensuality is comprehended.

When the nutriment of contact is comprehended, the three feelings [pleasure, pain, neither pleasure nor pain] are comprehended.

When the nutriment of intellectual intention is comprehended, the three forms of craving [for sensuality, for becoming, and for non-becoming] are comprehended.

When the nutriment of consciousness is comprehended, nama & rupa are comprehended.

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Re: Does consciousness have a nutriment???

Post by DooDoot » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:59 am

DooDoot wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:47 am
Are there any suttas that directly say consciousness has a nutriment (ahara); i.e., where the nutriment is cause & consciousness is the effect?
Ok. I argued in the topic: SN 12.31: Why is the term "nutriment" used ??? the word "nutriment" can be used for any "related condition" in a very broad or general way. Thus, while officially there might be no official or specific teaching about "consciousness having a defined nutriment", it can be said any supportive or related condition for the arising of consciousness (such as nama-rupa or the sense bases) is the nutriment of conscious. This said, I could be wrong. :)
Srilankaputra wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:22 am
Do these count ?
alfa wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:53 am
Aren't they the same, more or less? A depends on B for its existence. A 'feeds' on B for its existence.
SarathW wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:05 am
Consciousness can't sustain without six senses.
thomaslaw wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:23 am
I think 'consciousness ahara' is namarupa (SN 12.63). In consciousness ahara, one should know namarupa.
OK. While the word "nutriment" was not directly found above, it probably counts & can be used in a very general way in these contexts. :thumbsup:
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