Interesting translation above however this sutta appears to refer to gambling. Also, it appears to be a pretty low level of dhamma teaching (to houesholders) since one does not have to believe in god or reincarnation to follow the precepts. The precepts are about non-harming and what is harmful is pretty easily discerned; particularly in the modern corporate liberal sensual world. Most of us have been burned or seen others burned from immorality. Also, i have not read anything in this sutta that I inherently disagree with because the words "this world & the other world
" appear to refer to results of kamma. It seems it doesn't matter if you believe in here-&now rebirth or post-mortem rebirth. The result of this mundane right view seems the same. For example, personally, I believe via seeing thru my own eyes there is heaven, hell, ghosts, animals & humans; such as animals that cannot control their emotions particularly when they are hungry ghosts craving so much. About the gambling, i think it is two-fold:
(1) if you don't believe in "the other world", you might possibly be a bit negligent with your morality. One does not want to be careless with anatta
; like the naughty Vajrayana Tantric gurus.
(ii) if you believe in "the other world", you may be unable to abandon self-view. Thus, you see "self" everywhere. Everything the mind has sense contact with, it just creates identitarian self-views; left, right, up, down, centre, in, out, everywhere. Self, you, me, they, them, us, I. I am - these delusions never end. This is why the Lord Buddha warned about sīlabbata-parāmāsa and included sīlabbata-parāmāsa together with self-view as the first fetters to be circumcised for stream-entry. Sīlabbata-parāmāsa essentially means "fondling" or "masturbating" with morality. The puthujjana becomes obsessed with morality and starts generating self-views from their virtue signalling or moral self-righteousness. The Buddha warned about this.
bridif1 wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:28 am
But I may be wrong or missing some detail.
I think what you might be missing is religion is often a lustful object for those seeking domineering power over others. I imagine that is why the history of religion is replete with violent & abuse religious clerics. Fortunately, Theravada has Vinaya, which creates appropriate boundaries between bhikkhus & laypeople. Properly trained bhikkhus don't spend their time chastising & criticising lay people.