Jambudipa

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by TRobinson465 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:12 am

rajitha7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:00 am
TRobinson465 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:41 am
so if ur born into the realm of the four great kings? your just born in sri lanka?
There is no "realm". The "Deva" has been wrongly misinterpreted as a Deva realm. Although its not so.

There is a Deva realm and also a Deva clan/tribe. The Deva clan are just normal human beings.

Ok. Sure.
rajitha7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:00 am
Cannot eloborate on Paranimmita Vasavattī without some context.
"That which among men is sixteen hundred years, Visakha, is one night and day of the Paranimmitavasavatti devas, their month has thirty of those days, their year twelve of those months; the lifespan of the Paranimmitavasavatti devas is sixteen thousand of those heavenly years. Now here a certain woman or man, having entered on the Uposatha undertaken with the eight practices, at the break up of the body, after death, may arise to fellowship with the Paranimmitavasavatti devas — such a thing indeed is known, Visakha. It was in connection with this that I have said: Miserable is kingship over men compared with heavenly bliss.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .khan.html

also this although this sutta translates tusita and paranimmitavasavatti to its English meanings.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
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Re: Jambudipa

Post by TRobinson465 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:14 am

rajitha7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:00 am
TRobinson465 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:41 am
so if ur born into the realm of the four great kings? your just born in sri lanka?
There is no "realm". The "Deva" has been wrongly misinterpreted as a Deva realm. Although its not so.

There is a Deva realm and also a Deva clan/tribe. The Deva clan are just normal human beings.
TRobinson465 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:41 am
so what are Tusita and Paranimmita Vasavattī?
Tusita would be a Deva town.

Paranimmita Vasavattī is the 11th Deva relam . These not not human beings.
Oh okay. so this follow up answered my prevoius response. Thanks for the swift reply.
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism" - the 14th Dalai Lama

"At Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahmins, devas, Maras, Brahmas or anyone in the cosmos." -Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta

"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by Trekmentor » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:38 am

rajitha7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:52 am
Trekmentor wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 am
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammāsambuddhassa

Lord Buddha was not born in Sri Lanka.
So elaborating some more would help is't it?
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammāsambuddhassa

The lie "Lord Buddha was born in Sri Lanka." was popularized in Sri Lanka mainly by an old age novice monk called Meewanapalane Siri Dhammalankara. In addition to that, he had been spreading many more lies. http://panhinda.sirisaddharmaya.net/ is one website that contains a great amount of his foolish ideas. His novice monkhood was canceled in August, 2018 by the relevant bhikkhu chapter in Sri Lanka due to the extensive damage he was causing to the Sasana by distorting the history and Dhamma. The corresponding letter issued by that bhikkhu chapter can be seen here: http://www.trekmentor.com/si/content/book/1136
"Micchādiṭṭhiṃ micchādiṭṭhīti pajānāti. Sammādiṭṭhiṃ sammādiṭṭhīti pajānāti. Sāssa hoti sammādiṭṭhi."

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by rajitha7 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:22 am

Trekmentor wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:38 am
The lie "Lord Buddha was born in Sri Lanka." was popularized in Sri Lanka mainly by an old age novice monk called Meewanapalane Siri Dhammalankara. In addition to that, he had been spreading many more lies. http://panhinda.sirisaddharmaya.net/ is one website that contains a great amount of his foolish ideas. His novice monkhood was canceled in August, 2018 by the relevant bhikkhu chapter in Sri Lanka due to the extensive damage he was causing to the Sasana by distorting the history and Dhamma. The corresponding letter issued by that bhikkhu chapter can be seen here: http://www.trekmentor.com/si/content/book/1136
The monk surprised us all with the news. I could not believe it either at first. Although when looking at the information its quite easy to figure out how the history was distorted. That is what I have presented here and I will be here as long as clarification is needed.

You would think home island Buddhists would be happy. It been quite the opposite. This fella 'Trekmentor' for the last 10 years has been trying to discredit the monk in many ways. So that is the state of affairs I am afraid.

The Buddhist establishment in Sri Lanka is also up in arms. Partly because they do not understand. Also there seems some strange psychological issue they cannot cope with the news. The monk is being harassed in many ways as a result.
Unsurpassed is the Lord’s way of teaching the Dhamma concerning one’s proper moral conduct. One should be honest and faithful, without deception, chatter, hinting or belittling, not always ready to add gain to gain, but with the sense-doors guarded, moderate in food, a promoter of peace, observant, active and strenuous in effort, a meditator, mindful, with proper conversation, steady-going, resolute and sensible, not hankering after sense pleasures, but mindful and prudent. This is the unsurpassed teaching concerning a person’s proper ethical conduct. - Sampasādanīya, Dīgha Nikāya 28

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by Trekmentor » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:02 am

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammāsambuddhassa

Here's another lie:
rajitha7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:22 am
This fella 'Trekmentor' for the last 10 years has been trying to discredit the monk in many ways.
That's an example of how these people distort the facts and spread false news to discredit others. Let others see the evidence to support that "10 years" claim.
"Micchādiṭṭhiṃ micchādiṭṭhīti pajānāti. Sammādiṭṭhiṃ sammādiṭṭhīti pajānāti. Sāssa hoti sammādiṭṭhi."

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by WorldTraveller » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:28 am

Trekmentor wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:02 am
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammāsambuddhassa

Here's another lie:
rajitha7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:22 am
This fella 'Trekmentor' for the last 10 years has been trying to discredit the monk in many ways.
That's an example of how these people distort the facts and spread false news to discredit others. Let others see the evidence to support that "10 years" claim.
So far Trekmentor has "0" years in DW. But according to the same interpretation method followed by the Waharaka Cult & co., add a "1" in front of the "0". There you have "10". :rofl:

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by Trekmentor » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:08 am

WorldTraveller wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:28 am
add a "1" in front of the "0". There you have "10".
The truth has been spoken!
"Micchādiṭṭhiṃ micchādiṭṭhīti pajānāti. Sammādiṭṭhiṃ sammādiṭṭhīti pajānāti. Sāssa hoti sammādiṭṭhi."

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by rajitha7 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:03 am

Added 2 more references.

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Travels of Marco Polo - By Hugh Murray. Published 1844

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History of Ceylon - By Philalethes, A. M. Oxon. Published 1817

More here
Unsurpassed is the Lord’s way of teaching the Dhamma concerning one’s proper moral conduct. One should be honest and faithful, without deception, chatter, hinting or belittling, not always ready to add gain to gain, but with the sense-doors guarded, moderate in food, a promoter of peace, observant, active and strenuous in effort, a meditator, mindful, with proper conversation, steady-going, resolute and sensible, not hankering after sense pleasures, but mindful and prudent. This is the unsurpassed teaching concerning a person’s proper ethical conduct. - Sampasādanīya, Dīgha Nikāya 28

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by rajitha7 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:37 am

Major Errors in the Translation

The Pali cannon written in the Sinhala script is the primary source used to produce the English translation. India has been used as the context for the translation along with Sanskrit.

The wrong country of origin a introduces a large number of errors. Furthermore, the Buddha himself admonishes against associating the Dhamma with Sanskrit. Sanskrit is a language that produces beautiful tones that pleases the ear. This intoxicates and shifts the focus when the goal is escaping.

The presently used Sinhala translation Buddha Jayanthi is derived from the English translation along with all the flaws. Generations of Sinhala children have been taught the Buddha was an Indian when he was in fact a Sinhala person just like them.

There is an established Vinaya rule that advise against word-to-word translation into any other language in order to prevent this exact problem. Although commentaries can be written in any language by Ariyas or persons who have attained the path.

[Read here]
Unsurpassed is the Lord’s way of teaching the Dhamma concerning one’s proper moral conduct. One should be honest and faithful, without deception, chatter, hinting or belittling, not always ready to add gain to gain, but with the sense-doors guarded, moderate in food, a promoter of peace, observant, active and strenuous in effort, a meditator, mindful, with proper conversation, steady-going, resolute and sensible, not hankering after sense pleasures, but mindful and prudent. This is the unsurpassed teaching concerning a person’s proper ethical conduct. - Sampasādanīya, Dīgha Nikāya 28

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by sentinel » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:41 pm

rajitha7 wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:37 am
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Hi friend ,
I hope you can help us to understand more , since the birth place of the Buddha was in Sri Lanka ,
Where do you think the place of Buddha gave his first sermon in Sri Lanka ? Where do you think the Buddha Parinibbana location at Sri Lanka ?
Where do you think Nigantha Nātaputta (contemporary with the Buddha) was born ?
Did the Buddha over his 45 years gave his sermons all over Sri Lanka ?
Where do you think Alara Kalama and Uddaka Ramaputta taught the Buddha in Sri Lanka ?
Were both of the ascetics was born in Sri Lanka ?
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Re: Jambudipa

Post by rajitha7 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:37 pm

James Tan wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:41 pm
I hope you can help us to understand more , since the birth place of the Buddha was in Sri Lanka ,
Here

James Tan wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:41 pm
Where do you think the place of Buddha gave his first sermon in Sri Lanka ?
Here

James Tan wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:41 pm
Where do you think the Buddha Parinibbana location at Sri Lanka ?

James Tan wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:41 pm
Where do you think Nigantha Nātaputta (contemporary with the Buddha) was born ?
Mahavira was the teacher. Nigantha was possibly a leading disciple based in the island.
James Tan wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:41 pm
Did the Buddha over his 45 years gave his sermons all over Sri Lanka ?
Where do you think Alara Kalama and Uddaka Ramaputta taught the Buddha in Sri Lanka ?
Were both of the ascetics was born in Sri Lanka ?
Yes indeed. All this happened within the island.
Unsurpassed is the Lord’s way of teaching the Dhamma concerning one’s proper moral conduct. One should be honest and faithful, without deception, chatter, hinting or belittling, not always ready to add gain to gain, but with the sense-doors guarded, moderate in food, a promoter of peace, observant, active and strenuous in effort, a meditator, mindful, with proper conversation, steady-going, resolute and sensible, not hankering after sense pleasures, but mindful and prudent. This is the unsurpassed teaching concerning a person’s proper ethical conduct. - Sampasādanīya, Dīgha Nikāya 28

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by sentinel » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:05 pm

rajitha7 wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:37 pm


Mahavira was the teacher. Nigantha was possibly a leading disciple based in the island.
James Tan wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:41 pm
Did the Buddha over his 45 years gave his sermons all over Sri Lanka ?
Where do you think Alara Kalama and Uddaka Ramaputta taught the Buddha in Sri Lanka ?
Were both of the ascetics was born in Sri Lanka ?
Yes indeed. All this happened within the island.
Hi rajitha7 ,

Say that Buddha was born , gave sermons and Parinibbana in Sri Lanka . But , you won't find other ascetics birth place , death location and their sangha establishment site in Sri Lanka !

You have to consider other aspects other than Buddha and Buddhism only if you were to be unbiased / impartial .

By the way , Nigantha Nātaputta is Mahavira .
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Re: Jambudipa

Post by AgarikaJ » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:32 pm

@James Tan. Don't feed the troll, some people will believe whatever and no arguments or even facts can deter them.

And, looking at what we really know in a verifiable way about the historical Buddha, the picture we have in our minds of him might not match the true person all that much either.

In any case, does it truly matter much if the Buddha was born in Nepal, North India, or Sri Lanka? Those are only places, now wildly different to how they were 2,500 years ago, and both then and now there is little what distinguishes them much from other places.

What counts is the Dhamma, whose message would work spoken in any random place in the world.

:buddha2:
The teaching is a lake with shores of ethics, unclouded, praised by the fine to the good.
There the knowledgeable go to bathe, and cross to the far shore without getting wet.
[SN 7.21]

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Re: Jambudipa

Post by sentinel » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:08 pm

AgarikaJ wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:32 pm


What counts is the Dhamma, whose message would work spoken in any random place in the world.

:buddha2:
thanks . :namaste:
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Re: Jambudipa

Post by rajitha7 » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:52 am

How the first scripture was written.

https://qr.ae/TUtaoT
Unsurpassed is the Lord’s way of teaching the Dhamma concerning one’s proper moral conduct. One should be honest and faithful, without deception, chatter, hinting or belittling, not always ready to add gain to gain, but with the sense-doors guarded, moderate in food, a promoter of peace, observant, active and strenuous in effort, a meditator, mindful, with proper conversation, steady-going, resolute and sensible, not hankering after sense pleasures, but mindful and prudent. This is the unsurpassed teaching concerning a person’s proper ethical conduct. - Sampasādanīya, Dīgha Nikāya 28

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