Nwad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:47 am
DooDoot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:51 am
Nwad wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:49 am because he knows suffering as it is, he dont see it as : "i am suffer", but "there is suffering"
Where did you learn this? Based on the suttas, suffering depends on the "I". If there is no "I" there is no suffering.
But Sottapana is not free from ill will, sensuality, conceit, ignorance etc...
The above reply has no relevance to my comment. The sotāpanna has seen clearly the absence of "I" is the absence of suffering. Also, while also irrelevant, your view of the Sottapana appears perverted. You make the Sottapana sound utterly defiled where as the Sottapana, in reality, has only a small amount of defilement, as described in SN 13.1:
The great earth is far greater, lord. The little bit of dust the Blessed One has picked up with the tip of his fingernail is next to nothing. It's not a hundredth, a thousandth, a one hundred-thousandth — this little bit of dust the Blessed One has picked up with the tip of his fingernail — when compared with the great earth."
"In the same way, monks, for a disciple of the noble ones who is consummate in view, an individual who has broken through [to stream-entry], the suffering & stress that is totally ended & extinguished is far greater.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
A Sottapana is a Noble Disciple of the Noble Sangha. to be bowed to & venerated. Yet you say a Sottapana has ill will, sensuality, conceit, ignorance etc. Why would veneration be given to a person with ill will, sensuality, conceit, ignorance etc?
Nwad wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:49 am But Sottapana is not a Sammasambuddha.
There is only one Sammasambuddha, namely, Gotama Buddha. There have been many Arahants since Gotama but only one Sammasambuddha.
Nwad wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:49 amHe is not yet fully free to thinking about teaching peoples.
Even the Buddha was reluctant to teach people.
Nwad wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:49 am He can do that but iam not sure that he will suicide and end opportunity to practice and develop his mind in the world where Buddha Dhamma is present, just because peoples don't hear him ...
If there is enough Sangha to perpetuate the Dhamma, a sotāpanna, such as Nanavira, may commit suicide; particularly if there is a physical problem that hinders progress. If the body has certain problems, developing jhana for non-returner can be difficult, even impossible.
Nwad wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:49 amI think is not wise for not fully free Sottapana to suicide in this human realm with Buddha Dhamma, to reborn somewhere in celestial realm... The duty of Sottapana is find the solution from ill will and sensual attachement, iam not sure that he can find this solution in celestial realm... imho
Your views of sotāpanna remain perverted; viewing a sotāpanna as defiled. A sotāpanna is a Noble Person. "Dispassion" & "disenchantment" are not "ill-will" and "sensual attachment". As for "celestial realm", this does not appear to be the true Dhamma but things added later to the teachings (such as the illogical MN 143, where Anathapindika is supposed to be a sotappana yet claims to have never heard teachings of non-attachment before).