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Re: Samaya

Post by Cittasanto » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:39 am

Hi Bhante,
Yes that is what I was meaning, MN 58: Abhayarajakumara Sutta — To Prince Abhaya. one of my favourite suttas, although can never remember the name? and possibly where I used harsh from.
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Re: Samaya

Post by davcuts » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:28 pm

I wish no ill will towards my teacher. I however feel the need to educate people about the tradition he created. There where times I spoke out of anger, and that seems to be the cause for people accusing me of going straight to hell when I die. It doesn't seem this type of fundamentalist beliefs are held in Theravada Buddhism. So could a Theravada practitioner state they feel there former teacher was a cult leader, or would that be breaking some precept?

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Re: Samaya

Post by Ngawang Drolma. » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:31 pm

I don't like it when people scare others with hell talk. And then go so far as to condemn them to aeons in hell.

No one knows your karma or future births, Dave. Not even you :heart:

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Re: Samaya

Post by retrofuturist » Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:03 pm

Greetings Davcuts,
davcuts wrote:So could a Theravada practitioner state they feel there former teacher was a cult leader, or would that be breaking some precept?
No, not at all.

As for future destinations, there are determined by kamma (action). Kamma performed that is rooted in wholesome mindstates of wisdom, lovingkindess and renunciation/generosity will lead to good results. Conversely kamma performed that is rooted in unwholesome mindstates of delusion, aversion and greed, will lead to bad results. Your mindstate/motivation when you performed these activities will determine their kammic legacy... not threats from others which have no grounding in the tipitaka.

There is no samaya to protect teachers in Theravada. Teachers must teach that which is in accord with the Pali Canon or they will be easily exposed by those who are knowledgeable on particular subjects.

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Re: Samaya

Post by Ngawang Drolma. » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:50 am

PS

What would be worse than breaking samaya would be following a guru who is heading directly to the hell realms.

Theravadan people please ignore above comment. Is only about TB samaya and David's pain and worry.

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Re: Samaya

Post by jcsuperstar » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:07 am

not sure if this helps but when i first converted to buddhism, i was kept up by dreams that i was going to go to hell. even though i no longer was a christian, those teachings where so deep in me that i felt fear.
it took time but it just went away on it's own. i'm sure the fears you have now, will do the same. part of you knows now something you didnt know then, and as that becomes the dominate knowing, the past knowledge will become less and less a factor.
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