Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by Mr Man » Fri May 18, 2018 7:09 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 9:11 pm
Mr Man wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 6:42 pm
Sam Vara wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 3:34 pm
Intemperate language to be sure, but your post refers to "Latinos". I thought he had just referred to the entire Latin-American world, including those resident in the USA, as "animals".

But in the link you provide, it says that he used the term to refer to some illegal immigrants, who were alleged to be gang members. That's a tiny sub-set of a tiny sub-set. He's called white Americans animals before. For him, it's an equal opportunities epithet, and doesn't seem to have much to do with ethnicity or country of origin. Maybe not Right Speech, but not as newsworthy as I thought.
Oh dear!
I sense mild distress on your part, Mr. Man, but can't work out what it refers to. Could you elaborate a bit?
Well I don't think The President should be calling any demographic animals.

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by Sam Vara » Fri May 18, 2018 8:16 am

Mr Man wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 7:09 am
Well I don't think The President should be calling any demographic animals.
Yes, I agree. But a "demographic" is normally taken to mean a particular section of a population, often defined in terms of age, income, consumption patterns, ethnicity, etc. It has been shown beyond doubt that Trump was (rightly or wrongly) referring to MS 13 gang members, rather than any such "demographic". My point was about the dishonesty of attempting to portray Trump's comments in that way. And in some respects the futility, as there are now many people who are very willing to combat this type of misrepresentation and false news on the internet. Technology has made evidence-blind partisanship no less tenable, but much less justifiable.

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by binocular » Fri May 18, 2018 9:04 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 8:46 pm
If the media and liberals want to defend MS-13, they're more than welcome to. Frankly, I don't think the term @POTUS used was strong enough... It took an animal to stab a man 100 times and decapitate him and rip his heart out.
Animals don't use knives.
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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by Mr Man » Fri May 18, 2018 9:18 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 8:16 am
Mr Man wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 7:09 am
Well I don't think The President should be calling any demographic animals.
Yes, I agree. But a "demographic" is normally taken to mean a particular section of a population, often defined in terms of age, income, consumption patterns, ethnicity, etc. It has been shown beyond doubt that Trump was (rightly or wrongly) referring to MS 13 gang members, rather than any such "demographic". My point was about the dishonesty of attempting to portray Trump's comments in that way. And in some respects the futility, as there are now many people who are very willing to combat this type of misrepresentation and false news on the internet. Technology has made evidence-blind partisanship no less tenable, but much less justifiable.
So do you think The President should be calling gang members (if you don't consider gang members a demographic) animals?

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by mikenz66 » Fri May 18, 2018 9:27 am

binocular wrote:
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Animals don't use knives.
:rofl:
Case closed...

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by Sam Vara » Fri May 18, 2018 11:30 am

Mr Man wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 9:18 am
Sam Vara wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 8:16 am
Mr Man wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 7:09 am
Well I don't think The President should be calling any demographic animals.
Yes, I agree. But a "demographic" is normally taken to mean a particular section of a population, often defined in terms of age, income, consumption patterns, ethnicity, etc. It has been shown beyond doubt that Trump was (rightly or wrongly) referring to MS 13 gang members, rather than any such "demographic". My point was about the dishonesty of attempting to portray Trump's comments in that way. And in some respects the futility, as there are now many people who are very willing to combat this type of misrepresentation and false news on the internet. Technology has made evidence-blind partisanship no less tenable, but much less justifiable.
So do you think The President should be calling gang members (if you don't consider gang members a demographic) animals?
No. Nor am I saying, pace Cathy Newman, that we ought to organise society along the lines of lobsters. He can call gang members whatever he wants, and most people would probably think that if the term has any currency in political and legal discourse, then applying it to members of violent criminal gangs who enter one's country illegally is no big deal. I personally have no opinion on the matter. My point, as per above, is that Trump didn't call Latinos "Animals". That's an obvious misrepresentation of what he said.

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by Mr Man » Fri May 18, 2018 12:11 pm

Sam Vara wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:30 am
Mr Man wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 9:18 am
So do you think The President should be calling gang members (if you don't consider gang members a demographic) animals?
I personally have no opinion on the matter.
Okay, thanks.

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by Kamran » Fri May 18, 2018 2:21 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 2:49 am
Greetings Kamran,

Interesting. The blatantly fraudulent basis upon which this topic was initiated has been fully exposed, so you simply move onto yet another round of Trump bashing?

Metta (is universal, not obsessed with race),
Paul. :)
Paul,

I am just pointing out a politicians cynical ability to exploit racism for his own benefit.

You interpret it as bashing because Trump is your hero - you identify with him.

His Muslim Ban, for instance, was masterful:

He uses it to exploit people's aversion to muslims with out putting Saudi Arabia on the list :)

It is you who, Paul, that is being dishonest if you can't admit that his Muslim Ban, and constant claims of Latino Crime for what they really are:

==> a political tool for his own short term power interests that are highly detrimental to the country.

More recently, the head of UN says Trump is a racist after he called all of Africa a "Shit Hole".

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by Pseudobabble » Fri May 18, 2018 5:05 pm

binocular wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 9:04 am
Pseudobabble wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 8:46 pm
If the media and liberals want to defend MS-13, they're more than welcome to. Frankly, I don't think the term @POTUS used was strong enough... It took an animal to stab a man 100 times and decapitate him and rip his heart out.
Animals don't use knives.
Humans are animals....
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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by lyndon taylor » Fri May 18, 2018 7:04 pm

Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 5:05 pm
binocular wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 9:04 am
Pseudobabble wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 8:46 pm
Animals don't use knives.
Humans are animals....
Trump's not smart enough to know that humans are animals, he didn't learn much in school!!
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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by Pseudobabble » Fri May 18, 2018 8:10 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 7:04 pm
Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 5:05 pm
binocular wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 9:04 am

Animals don't use knives.
Humans are animals....
Trump's not smart enough to know that humans are animals, he didn't learn much in school!!
Humans are of the taxonomic category animalia (animals). MS-13 members are humans. Therefore MS-13 members are animals.

Trump called MS-13 members animals. He was technically correct, since they are humans, which are animals.


However, it is obvious that he means they are animals by virtue of their inhuman brutality. It's not hard to understand. The furore is just nonsense.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by lyndon taylor » Fri May 18, 2018 8:37 pm

He didn't specify MS-13 members when he called some immigrants animals, that was added alter after the outrage.
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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by retrofuturist » Fri May 18, 2018 10:19 pm

Greetings Kamran,
Kamran wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 2:21 pm
You interpret it as bashing because Trump is your hero - you identify with him.
No, I "interpret it as bashing", because when your topic's OP was shown to be a demonstrably fraudulent topic, you just switch to other criticisms which have nothing to do with the topic, despite having recently been instructed not to do so by another moderator.

Even in your most recent post you're detouring into speculation on "shitholes", "Muslim ban" etc. The shifting goalposts and bait and switch techniques, and typically inflammatory and fraudulent titles renders your topics even more incoherent than they usually are to start with.

But if at first you don't succeed, hey? ;)
Kamran wrote:a political tool for his own short term power interests that are highly detrimental to the country
No, I don't agree. And no, despite your insinuation, daring to disagree with Kamran does not make me "dishonest".

:roll:

I don't believe Trump is racist, nevermind using racism for advantage. He is a patriot who loves his country very much, and believes that sovereign nation states are the best form of governance. This obviously makes him unpopular amongst open-borders globalists and their propaganda divisions, because the rise of civic nationalism is an existential threat to their goals of a new world order, under a global government managed by elites (of which the EU is a prototype).

Where Trump succeeds with civic nationalism, their globalist goals fail. Hence why they'd side with North Korea, Iranian mullahs who chant "Death to America!", MS-13, ISIS, HAMAS, corrupt FBI officials, Hillary Clinton or pretty much anyone in the world, over the duly elected President of the United States. Hence being repeatedly subjected to their tiresome, morally accusative buzzwords... including "Racist!". It's growing old and sounds increasingly ridiculous and desperate to anyone outside of the liberal echo chamber. This very topic and the Fake News it peddled is symptomatic of this increasingly desperate (but ultimately failing) phenomenon.

:pig:

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Re: Yesterday Trump Called Latinos "Animals"

Post by Kamran » Sat May 19, 2018 12:53 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 10:19 pm
Greetings Kamran,

No, I "interpret it as bashing", because when your topic's OP was shown to be a demonstrably fraudulent topic, you just switch to other criticisms which have nothing to do with the topic, despite having recently been instructed not to do so by another moderator.
Kamran wrote:a political tool for his own short term power interests that are highly detrimental to the country
Metta,
Paul. :)
By mentioning the Muslim Ban I am trying to put the incident in the OP article in context with his other actions.

Niether his Latino crime rants nor his Muslim Ban are aimed at crime, or terrorism respectively.

They have a political objective. And it's quite simple to prove that.

Your repeated branding of everyone as either for Trump or for the "open border glabalists" as if those were the only two options is also a fascist tactic.

You really should pick a better hero my friend.

Wish you well,
Kamran
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