In one of the suttas, the Buddha rebukes a monk for stating that the mind lives on after death. Anyone know which one it is? I have searched and can't find it.
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Mind lives on after death?
At one time the Bhagava was staying at the Jetavana monastery of Anathapindika in Savatthi. At that time there arose in Bhikkhu Sati, the son of a fisherman, a depraved view1 thus: "As I understand the dhamma (the Teaching) as taught by the Bhagava, it is the same Consciousness which migrates and runs on (from existence to existence) and there is no other besides it (that does so)."
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no, mind is dependently arisen
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Consciousness is continuous, yet changing
same Consciousness is wrong
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If I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is no self — were to answer that there is no self, that would be conforming with those brahmans & contemplatives who are exponents of annihilationism [the view that death is the annihilation of consciousness].
Ananda Sutta: To Ananda
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I don't see how the sutta reference you brought says anything about annihilation of consciousness. Annihilationism with respect to self means that if one that there is a self and it ends at death then this is annihilation of the self but since there is no self then there is nothing to be annihilated.....as I see it.cappuccino wrote: ↑Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:00 am If I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is no self — were to answer that there is no self, that would be conforming with those brahmans & contemplatives who are exponents of annihilationism [the view that death is the annihilation of consciousness].
Ananda Sutta: To Ananda
Perhaps this sutta reference is more to the point:
MN 38
Mahatanhasankhaya Sutta
chownahthe Blessed One said to him, "Is it true, Sāti, that this pernicious view has arisen in you — 'As I understand the Dhamma taught by the Blessed One, it is just this consciousness that runs and wanders on, not another'?"....
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"And to whom, worthless man, do you understand me to have taught the Dhamma like that? Haven't I, in many ways, said of dependently co-arisen consciousness, 'Apart from a requisite condition, there is no coming-into-play of consciousness'?
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How will you cease to exist? By losing body? By losing self?
Any difference it would make, it has already made.
Any difference it would make, it has already made.
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I think that the point is that you will not cease to exist because there is no you in existence....you can't lose self because there is no self to lose....you can't lose something you don't have......you can't annihilate a self because there is no self to annihilate.cappuccino wrote: ↑Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:41 pm How will you cease to exist? By losing body? By losing self?
Any difference it would make, it has already made.
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because you're selfless already,
there should be no expectation of annihilation
I think atheists expect death, yet that will never happen
there should be no expectation of annihilation
I think atheists expect death, yet that will never happen
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Thinking about "me dying" gives rise to the delusional self and all the suffering which goes along with it including the suffering which arises from the mistaken view of "me dying".
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Re: Mind lives on after death?
you cannot die
because you are not there
your existence is happening without you
and will continue
because you are not there
your existence is happening without you
and will continue
Re: Mind lives on after death?
the path there is but nobody on it
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There is a big difference between a continuous consciousness and a continium of consciousnesses...
Two analogies;
1) The former is like seeing a train passing while the latter is talking about different trains passing one after another.
2) A passing train seen as: a continuous wagon and continium of individual wagons
Two analogies;
1) The former is like seeing a train passing while the latter is talking about different trains passing one after another.
2) A passing train seen as: a continuous wagon and continium of individual wagons
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Re: Mind lives on after death?
The above is not from the sutta but added by the translator. The suttas appear to define annihilationism as follows:cappuccino wrote: ↑Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:00 am [the view that death is the annihilation of consciousness]
Herein, bhikkhus, a certain recluse or a brahmin asserts the following doctrine and view: 'The self, good sir, has material form; it is composed of the four primary elements and originates from father and mother. Since this self, good sir, is annihilated and destroyed with the breakup of the body and does not exist after death, at this point the self is completely annihilated.' In this way some proclaim the annihilation, destruction, and extermination of an existent being.
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