Meditator's Atlas by Matthew Flickstein

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Meditator's Atlas by Matthew Flickstein

Post by alan » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:20 pm

In what has so far been a futile effort to get a handle on the Visuddhimagga I purchased and read Meditator's Atlas. 3 timed through and it is sitting on the shelf with many question marks and scribbles written in the margins. I'd like to hear if anyone thinks I should take a deep breath and have another go at it later, or just put it aside.
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Re: Meditator's Atlas by Matthew Flickstein

Post by cooran » Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:36 pm

Hello alan,

While discussion here may give you some good help, I would also encourage you to take your questions to the folk at Dhammastudygroup.

In their Files section, in "Useful Posts" under 'V', they have selected posts and threads on this topic.

Rather than having a book with notes and scribbles in it, start from the beginning and see if their are threads already. You can add your queries to that thread or start another honing in on your questions.

Nina van Gorkom, Sarah, Rob Kirkpatrick and many others are well-qualified to answer any questions you may have.

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I was interested to see that the Dalai Lama also values the Visuddhimagga. :smile:

Posts listed in the Useful Posts section for members of Dhammastudygroup (you may have to join to have access):
Visuddhimagga (Path of Purification) - Understanding with Sub-comy extracts 23138, 23165, 23206, 23263, 23213, 23282, 23658, 23659, 23789, 23851, 24135, 24146, 24166, 24246, 24406, 24484, 24600, 25085, 25256, 25257, 25333, 25347, 25421, 25510, 25548, 25668, 25689, 25803, 25907, 25908, 25921, 25939, 25940, 26246, 26320, 26505, 26700, 26728, 26861, 26988, 27147, 27182, 27482, 27808, 27958, 27977, 28057, 28216, 28896, 28817
Visuddhimagga, ch X1V, Larry's index of text posts and Nina's summaries and translations of the commentary 55332
Visuddhimagga -Dalai Lama 35752
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Re: Meditator's Atlas by Matthew Flickstein

Post by bodom » Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:12 pm

I recommend these talks from Silananda.

http://www.sirimangalo.org/audio_index" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


"Dont send the mind outside. Watch the mind right at the mind."

- Ajahn Dune Atulo

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Re: Meditator's Atlas by Matthew Flickstein

Post by tiltbillings » Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:55 pm

alan wrote:In what has so far been a futile effort to get a handle on the Visuddhimagga I purchased and read Meditator's Atlas. 3 timed through and it is sitting on the shelf with many question marks and scribbles written in the margins. I'd like to hear if anyone thinks I should take a deep breath and have another go at it later, or just put it aside.
Thanks.
That book is okay, and there is no reason in the world that you NEED to read the Visuddhimagga.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Meditator's Atlas by Matthew Flickstein

Post by mikenz66 » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:16 pm

Hi Alan,
alan wrote:In what has so far been a futile effort to get a handle on the Visuddhimagga I purchased and read Meditator's Atlas. 3 timed through and it is sitting on the shelf with many question marks and scribbles written in the margins. I'd like to hear if anyone thinks I should take a deep breath and have another go at it later, or just put it aside.
Thanks.
I had a quick look at what I can see using Amazon's preview, and to it looks like a very good introduction to the stages of purification in the Visuddhimagga. It's clearly a lot more manageable than the VM itself, and more approachable than other easy to find summaries of the map by Mahasi Sayadaw, for example:
http://aimwell.org/Books/Mahasi/Progress/progress.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It seems to have some good practical advice about how the stages might manifest in daily life.

My advice would be to stick with it and ask some questions here.

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Re: Meditator's Atlas by Matthew Flickstein

Post by retrofuturist » Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:21 pm

Greetings Alan,
alan wrote:In what has so far been a futile effort to get a handle on the Visuddhimagga I purchased and read Meditator's Atlas. 3 timed through and it is sitting on the shelf with many question marks and scribbles written in the margins. I'd like to hear if anyone thinks I should take a deep breath and have another go at it later, or just put it aside.
It's hard to comment because it's hard to know what you're trying to get out of it. When I read the Visuddhimagga first time around, I did so because I wanted to understand the Theravada commentarial perspectives - moreso doctrinally, than in terms of meditation. Others, however, approach it as a meditation manual of sorts. I'm sure too there are other angles to approach it from, particularly if you're a monastic. What you're attempting to get out of the exercise will determine how important it is for you to persist, and how to go about it.

Feel free to ask any questions you have about the Visuddhimagga here, or if you seek purely traditional perspectives on it, you can ask in the Classical Theravada section.

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: Meditator's Atlas by Matthew Flickstein

Post by Nibbida » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:16 am

Depending on your purpose, you might want to try to read Vimuttimagga. It's not exactly the same, but it's shorter and more digestible.

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