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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by DNS » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:40 pm

That westonaprice site is based off the teachings of Weston Price:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_Price" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He was a dentist who lived to the age of 78. Not bad, but today there are many industrialized peoples living well into the 80's and beyond, especially those that do not follow his advice of lots of animal sources for protein.

From the wiki article:
In 2002, Stephen Barrett of the website Quackwatch published an internet essay a portion of which criticized Weston Price's premises and conclusions.[2] There is some evidence to indicate that crowding has gotten significantly worse in the past 500 years, but not to the extent suggested by Price.[3]

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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by alan » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:42 pm

Did you read about Dr. Price and his 30 years of research in the developing world?

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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by DNS » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:49 pm

alan wrote:Did you read about Dr. Price and his 30 years of research in the developing world?
I have read enough to know that he is mistaken and have read and experienced enough with the vegetarian diet to know that it works, in my opinion and for me.
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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by Annapurna » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:49 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:
alan wrote: General health tips: Fish oil is good, Krill oil is far superior.
They are not vegetarian. If it is for the omega-3 benefits, those same benefits can be gained from eating flax seeds or walnuts.
High Fructose Corn Syrup=poison.
Trans-fats=poison.
Agree.
And avoid Tofu!
Why? I eat tofu all the time with no ill effects. I know there are some studies showing too much soy can cause some problems, but it is like anything; it must be done in reasonable levels. If someone eats pounds of tofu and soy milk everyday, all day long, there will be ill effects, in the same way if someone eats broccoli all day and nothing else. The diet must be well-balanced and include a variety of vegetarian/vegan foods.

There is no need for meat for any nutritional reason(s).
Agree.

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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by Annapurna » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:59 pm

alan wrote:Yes, Krill are animals, but there are hundreds of millions of them, and they constantly regenerate. If the primary concern is to avoid all animal products, ok, stay away. But as a general health tip it is a good thing to take Krill oil.
Everyone knows now about the health benefits of Omega-3 fatty acids. Krill oil delivers this in the most potent way. It also contains Astaxanthin. As for flax and walnuts, I'm all for it. But there is some debate about whether or not ALA is converted into Omega-3 in the body. I'll put my money on Krill oil for over all health benefits, for those not going very strictly veg.

As for Tofu,
I promise this is the last time I'll mention this site--westonaprice.org.
Krills are animals. Sentient beings.
If somebody truly wants to spare animals, krill can't be the choice.

Walnuts and other seeds in conjunct with raisins and other veggies will work together synergistically and do the job.

I'd rather hear in your own words what you have against soy...or a quick quote... :anjali:

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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by alan » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:05 pm

I'll ask you all to go to the Amazon page: Nutrition and physical degeneration by Weston A. Price and read it. I find it compelling.

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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by Annapurna » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:15 pm

I agree that physical degeneration has to do with denatured food.

That's why i eat a lot of raw food.

I can FEEL how my energy goes down with too much denatured food, and I begin to crave raw food...sort of like:

I don't want anymore cake, gimmie an apple.

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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by Cittasanto » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:22 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:
alan wrote:Did you read about Dr. Price and his 30 years of research in the developing world?
I have read enough to know that he is mistaken and have read and experienced enough with the vegetarian diet to know that it works, in my opinion and for me.
:smile:
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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by alan » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:46 pm

Took me a long time to accept that soy was not good for the health...I rejected it too, first time I heard it. Don't think I will change any minds.
And obviously the science of health is not what most people want to discuss. So:

How important is it to avoid killing sentient creatures, if their consumption keeps us healthier?

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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by Cittasanto » Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:01 pm

alan wrote: How important is it to avoid killing sentient creatures, if their consumption keeps us healthier?
How important is eating meat when there are options available which would keep the body healthy?
eating meat does not guarantee perfect health.
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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by alan » Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:13 pm

Yes Manapa but what about supplements like Krill oil?

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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by Annapurna » Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:36 pm

alan wrote:
How important is it to avoid killing sentient creatures, if their consumption keeps us healthier?
The first precept, and not supporting wrong livelyhood is on the one side,
and self- centered needs for a body that will rot on the other.

Trying to maintain a body at the expense of other sentient beings.
Took me a long time to accept that soy was not good for the health...I rejected it too, first time I heard it. Don't think I will change any minds.
And obviously the science of health is not what most people want to discuss.
Please quote exacty which health issue you're concerned about.

Your assertion remains too vague to be able to reply.

Thank you.

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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by Cittasanto » Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:50 pm

alan wrote:Yes Manapa but what about supplements like Krill oil?
What about it?
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Re: I'm a new vegetarian! Some questions...

Post by tiltbillings » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:17 pm

alan wrote:Yes Manapa but what about supplements like Krill oil?
If you are looking for the omega oils, flax oil will do quite nicely.
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Re: Poll: Are you vegetarian/vegan?

Post by bodhabill » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:14 am

My partner has been vegetarian for a while, she never tried to convert me and I was happy to go with the flow most of the time

Big change happened when I went to India on a business trip, that was my introduction to Buddhism and at the same time went 100% vegetarian

Going vegetarian was easy in India, the vegetarian cuisine is so good

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