What is my ancestry? who cares.

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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by SarathW » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:03 am

I haven't done my D&A test as yet.
But one thing sure for me is that I am not a true Sri Lankan.
Sometimes I wonder what all those Dutch, Portuguese and English were doing with my ancestors.
My grand father's name is (say) George and my mother's name is (say)Sophia.
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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:11 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:03 am
Sometimes I wonder what all those Dutch, Portuguese and English were doing with my ancestors.
I blame the EU. :tongue:
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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by No_Mind » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:52 am

Sarath, I do not know if you know but predominant part of Sinhalese genes is Bengali.

We maybe cousins after all as I always wished :hug: Maybe 2,000 years ago my forefather was brother of your forefather :toast:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_s ... ali_origin

https://scroll.in/article/814562/are-th ... -merchants

http://indianexpress.com/article/resear ... al-odisha/

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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:45 pm

My ancestry is mostly Irish, with a bit of Spanish and a hint of cockney. Gawd blimey, hasta la vista, atall, atall. :toilet:
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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by dharmacorps » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:32 pm

My wife and I did the testing a few years ago. Hers was far more interesting than mine-- she's Puerto Rican, who are a great example of a melting pot. She is West African, Chinese, Spanish, and Native American, almost in equal parts. That is valuable for people like her who really don't know what they are for sure because their history isn't well documented and everybody from there is mixed and is some shade of brown. I on the other hand got no surprises really-- 97% Northern European (England) and 3% Native American. The average "white person" in the US is 7-10% non-white so I am "below average" here. And painfully white! :) But overall, no, it doesn't really matter and the preoccupation with race and ethnicity is not helpful. Almost nobody is 100 percent anything so the idea of race really falls flat.

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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by cappuccino » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:36 pm

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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by SarathW » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:44 pm

Apperantly, someone is caring about your ancestry!!

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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by Kim OHara » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:05 pm

If you are thinking about taking one of these DNA tests, here's a word of warning -
Ancestry.com takes DNA ownership rights from customers and their relatives

The family history website Ancestry.com is selling a new DNA testing service called AncestryDNA. But the DNA and genetic data that Ancestry.com collects may be used against “you or a genetic relative.” According to its privacy policies, Ancestry.com takes ownership of your DNA forever. Your ownership of your DNA, on the other hand, is limited in years.

It seems obvious that customers agree to this arrangement, since all of them must “click here to agree” to these terms. But, how many people really read those contacts before clicking to agree? And how many relatives of Ancestry.com customers are also reading?

There are three significant provisions in the AncestryDNA Privacy Policy and Terms of Service to consider on behalf of yourself and your genetic relatives: (1) the perpetual, royalty-free, world-wide license to use your DNA; (2) the warning that DNA information may be used against “you or a genetic relative”; (3) your waiver of legal rights.
https://thinkprogress.org/ancestry-com- ... feed02b9e/

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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by Kare » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pm

Who cares? I care. I care about my ancestors. By examining the archives I can follow my ancestors several hundred years back. I can se who they were, their names, where they lived, often also how they lived. A few of them were wealthy, but most of them were poor people, toiling from day to day to secure a living for themselves and their families. Each one of my ancestors lived a life with their own joys and sorrows. Each one of them were a necessary cause for my own life here and now. Therefore I study my ancestry with love and deep respect for those who went before me. As for DNA ancestry this becomes more distant and unpersonal. But it still is interesting to see what roads my far ancestors walked back through the millenia.
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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by SarathW » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:24 am

Who cares? I care.
"This is how he attends inappropriately: 'Was I in the past? Was I not in the past? What was I in the past? How was I in the past? Having been what, what was I in the past? Shall I be in the future? Shall I not be in the future? What shall I be in the future? How shall I be in the future? Having been what, what shall I be in the future?' Or else he is inwardly perplexed about the immediate present: 'Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I? Where has this being come from? Where is it bound?'

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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by Kare » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:40 am

SarathW wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:24 am
Who cares? I care.
"This is how he attends inappropriately: 'Was I in the past? Was I not in the past? What was I in the past? How was I in the past? Having been what, what was I in the past? Shall I be in the future? Shall I not be in the future? What shall I be in the future? How shall I be in the future? Having been what, what shall I be in the future?' Or else he is inwardly perplexed about the immediate present: 'Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I? Where has this being come from? Where is it bound?'

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Completely wrong. I do not pose any of those questions. Do you? Read my post again, and do not assign to me words that were not mine. But by all means - feel free to ignore your parents, your grandparents and their ancestors if that is how you feel. I care, however.
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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by SarathW » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 am

Read my post again, and do not assign to me words that were not mine.
Sorry I did not intend to object you.
I just want to have a discussion.
We already know who our parents and brothers etc.
Knowing what was my ten generation is a useless piece of information for me.
I agree that for many people it is very important.
Generally, when you become a Buddhist monk you completely disconnect from your ancestors.
I know this is not applicable to lay people.
But we can learn something from that.
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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by Kim OHara » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:10 am

SarathW wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 am
Generally, when you become a Buddhist monk you completely disconnect from your ancestors.
I know this is not applicable to lay people.
But we can learn something from that.
Hi, Sarath,
If you mean that we should go some way to copying what monks are required to do, I think your logic is faulty. The same logic leads to, e.g. When we join the army we are allowed to kill people. I know this is not applicable to civilians. But we can learn something from that and kill people too.

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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by SarathW » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:30 am

But we can learn something from that and kill people too.
I think civilians learn to kill from the behavior of army too.
If people in army practice non-violence the civilians might learn from that too.
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Re: What is my ancestry? who cares.

Post by Pseudobabble » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:11 am

cappuccino wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:36 pm
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