From MN 58, "To Prince Abhaya":Sam Vara wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:15 pmAnd good luck with any prying away from any wrong views!Subharo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:14 am
BMC 1, Chapter 2 ("Nissaya"), pg. 36 (bottom), Section "Duties", sub-section "The pupil's duties to his mentor" (and "mentor" expands to meaning both Acariya and Preceptor), item 2 ("Assisting the mentor in any problems he may have with regard to the Dhamma and Vinaya. The Mahavagga lists the following examples"), sub-item c).:
If the preceptor begins to hold to wrong views, the pupil should try to pry him away from those views or find someone else who can, or give him a Dhamma talk.
So there is no situation where the Buddha will certainly respond (no matter what). And there are also certain careful conditions where what he has to say will be "unwelcome and disagreeable" to those who hear it, but he utters it anyway. This directly contradicts the view commonly championed by Confucius, which goes something like "elders are invincibly correct, or at least you are morally obliged to act that way, out of "respect", even if they assert something like '1 + 1 = 3'" (so that they don't hear anything which is 'unwelcome and disagreeable', which might euphemistically be called "harmonious").8. “So too, prince, such speech as the Tathāgata knows to be untrue, incorrect, and unbeneficial, and which is also unwelcome and disagreeable to others: such speech the Tathāgata does not utter.
Such speech as the Tathāgata knows to be true and correct but unbeneficial, and which is also unwelcome and disagreeable to others: such speech the Tathāgata does not utter.
Such speech as the Tathāgata knows to be true, correct, and beneficial, but which is unwelcome and disagreeable to others: the Tathāgata knows the time to use such speech.
Such speech as the Tathāgata knows to be untrue, incorrect, and unbeneficial, but which is welcome and agreeable to others: such speech the Tathāgata does not utter.
Such speech as the Tathāgata knows to be true and correct but unbeneficial, and which is welcome and agreeable to others: such speech the Tathāgata does not utter.
Such speech as the Tathāgata knows to be true, correct, and beneficial, and which is welcome and agreeable to others: the Tathāgata knows the time to use such speech. Why is that? Because the Tathāgata has compassion for beings.”
Is my speech true and correct? I'd like to think so. Is it beneficial? I'd like to think so (in a longer-term sense), but you don't seem to agree (Binocular), which is your right. Fair enough. Is it "unwelcome and disagreeable"? To many here, probably.