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Re: Feminism for men

Post by binocular » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:36 pm

Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
High level Ajahns speak with the Buddha and Arahants. They don't need to learn from the suttas.
Asian supremacism strikes again, and we've got no right to take our place with the Buddhist race!
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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Turmeric » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:08 pm

binocular wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:36 pm
Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
High level Ajahns speak with the Buddha and Arahants. They don't need to learn from the suttas.
Asian supremacism strikes again, and we've got no right to take our place with the Buddhist race!
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High level Ajahns of any skin color.

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by binocular » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:07 pm

Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:08 pm
High level Ajahns of any skin color.
It's not skin color that makes one an Asian Buddhist supremacist, but the conviction that only the Asian way to do Buddhism is the right one.
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Re: Feminism for men

Post by DooDoot » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:30 am

Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
The bull picture is a sak yant tattoo for seducing the opposite sex. The amulet is for the same purpose.
A Thai village witchdocter form of Viagra? Some Femininsts don't support Viagra.
I'm a feminist. Here's why I don't support the 'female Viagra.'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... 0bb98fe9ca
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Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
It's not false. In the villages there are 30 year olds living with the parents of their 14 year old pregnant girlfriends. Certainly something that would make a foreigners jaw drop.
Why is it jaw-dropping? Maybe to a Feminist it is jaw-dropping! Are you a Feminist? :shrug: Even so, what does "jaw-dropping" have to do with Buddhism? As you said, the girls & fathers are living with their parents. Some young girls get pregnant outside of marriage but this appears not what the Buddha taught.
Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
HM King Chulalongkorns wife was a little girl. And the age of consent in Thailand was 13 until the 1980s. My friend has a 13 year old in her area that goes around banging all of the old men.
So what? In the West, there are estimates that up to 33% of girls experience sexual abuse, most often from family members & friends of family. Once a girl is conditioned that it is her social role to have sex with men, she will often continue to have sex with men. Not having sex with men will create withdrawal symptoms of lots of pain & confusion in her.

This video is of an Australian prostitute (who is now dead). It can be seen in this video how giving sexual pleasure to men became this woman's "self-image". Prostitution has existed for 1000s of years because evil men understand how easy it is to condition women to be like this. Women have an instinct to give. If this instinct is transformed into giving sexual pleasure to men, this makes many sadistic men happy. Women become the sexual slaves of men. Thais are just people. They are not necessarily Buddhists. There are Thai men, like many other men, who delight in the sexual slavery of women. Feminists get confused about this. Sometimes feminists say prostitution is empowering; other times feminists say prostitution is slavery.










Turmeric wrote:
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HM King Chulalongkorns wife was a little girl. And the age of consent in Thailand was 13 until the 1980s. My friend has a 13 year old in her area that goes around banging all of the old men. King and his wife in the pictures below.
My aunty was married at 13yo. In the USA, a 13yo can be married. Are you saying HM King Chulalongkorns wife was a little girl banging all of the old men? :shrug:

There is a big DIFFERENCE between a sexually mature 13 year old getting married (like my aunty) and a 13 year old girl subjected to sexual abuse by many men.
Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
Down below a picture of the Buddha in his sex harem while he was in the palace.
Its just a picture (rather than anything real.
Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
Thai Kings spent a proportion of their life ordained as Buddhist monks. Rama IV's teacher was Pra Somdet Toh,an Arahant, and a forest monk that he brought to his palace to live with him. It is required by law for Thai kings to be Buddhist. But of course there are some hindu elements there. Thailand was Hindu before it was Buddhist. The Ruesi combine Hinduism and Buddhism. Also, since you like to quote Luangta so much, Luangta said King Bhumibol was like the Lord Brahma that cares about all of his children. And Luangta was King Bhumibols teacher. Here is the King talking about Buddhism
It doubt King Bhumibol nor his wife (unlike allegations about Bill & Hillary Clinton) had sex with little girls.
Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
Some people like polygamy, some people don't. Generalizing an entire gender like this is obviously wrong.
Polygamy is not against Buddhism nor is it about gender. However, Buddha never praised polygamy as ideal.
Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
High level Ajahns speak with the Buddha and Arahants. They don't need to learn from the suttas.
The Buddha passed away 2,500 years ago.
Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
Hm King Bhumibol said anyone that accuses someone of lese majesty is directly harming him. And has said publicly he is not above criticism.
Bhumibol is dead. Bhumibol was a figure head for the military dictatorships of Thailand.
Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
If you say that I cannot be criticized, then it is like you are insulting me, because you are saying I'm not human. - King Bhumibol.
If Bhumibol really meant this, why didn't Bhumibol have the lese majesty law repealed? :shrug:


Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
The Buddhas dad had more than one wife. Also, you never met the Buddha, and don't know what he said.
Buddha's dad was not a Buddha. Buddha's words are in the suttas, which is the basis of faith in Buddhism.
Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
Lay people don't need to be celibate. A sotapanna still has desire.
I never mentioned celibacy. Lay Buddhists are to practise non-harming. You seem to believe many old men having sex with a 13 year old is not harming?
Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
Exactly, the Buddha taught separation from a loved one is suffering. So this is why we should only have sex with girls we don't love.
Buddhism does not seem to teach this. It seems the Buddha taught promiscuous sex without love is behaving like animals, similar to what Ajahn Maha Boowa taught, as follows. In summary, it looks like its got nothing to do with the practise of Buddhism.
... the world would have fallen into promiscuity, as with goats, sheep, chickens, pigs, dogs, and jackals.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/ati/tip ... .irel.html
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Turmeric wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:53 am
Luangta said King Bhumibol was like the Lord Brahma that cares about all of his children.
Your posts are getting sort of confusing. Are you saying "many men banging a 13 year old girl" is like the Lord Brahma that cares about all of his children? Are you saying the Thai Ajahns who talk to the Buddha teach many old men sexually abusing a 13yo girl is OK?

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by lyndon taylor » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:57 am

Tumeric, You really lost us when you supported pedophilia, sex with 13 year olds.
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Re: Feminism for men

Post by retrofuturist » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:09 am

Greetings,

OK, I think we've drifted quite far enough away from the topic at hand...

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Please also remember that "Advocating illegal activity" is a violation of the Terms of Service. Yes, the age of consent varies from country to country, and some are as low as 13, but please be mindful of how to present your perspective.

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by DooDoot » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:00 am

Turmeric wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:45 am
Girls like to have sex because sex feels good.
Sex can feel good but it can lead to suffering; similar to how taking drugs can feel good but lead to suffering.


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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Turmeric » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:21 am

DooDoot wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:00 am
Turmeric wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:45 am
Girls like to have sex because sex feels good.
Sex can feel good but it can lead to suffering; similar to how taking drugs can feel good but lead to suffering.

So become a celibate monk, and only eat 2 pieces of rice every day. You aren't going to do it. We are all going to have sex. And if someone is heart broken, they can contemplate the foulness of the body, and use the religion to lessen their suffering. Girls don't need people protecting them from themselves, they can do what they want.

Please let me save you, you are going to drown, said the monkey putting the fish up into the tree.

Edit: And by the way, I know you aren't trying to say that everyone should be celibate. But you are arguing for one wife one husband marriages, and no sex before marriage. This is awesome bro. I totally dig it. And I support anyone that wants to wait until they get married to have sex. But I also support people that don't want to wait, as well as people that prefer polygamy. All I'm advocating for is the right to choose.

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by lyndon taylor » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:02 am

Feminism is starting to sound a whole lot more attractive about now!!
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Bundokji » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:09 am

Turmeric wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:21 am
All I'm advocating for is the right to choose.
I don't think anyone is against that, but some feminists took this a bit further and pushed too far. Some feminists, either intentionally or unintentionally, associated the liberation of women with promiscuous sexual behavior, so women who choose to be more conservative about sex became under fire.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by lyndon taylor » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:19 am

I don't know if I can speak for everyone, but I for one did not become interested in Thai Buddhism because of the horrific sex trade in Thailand, but rather in spite of it.

What I found at the Thai and Cambodian immigrant temples is your ability to be respected by the immigrant community was directly proportional to how little interest you showed in the Thai women and girls. In fact the members were often questioning if you came to the temple looking for girls, I can only imagine what their response would have been if I answered in the affirmative. They didn't seem to like the idea.

After my short stint as a monk and longer time as a temple boy, I was propositioned to marry a Cambodian women in a semi arranged situation, she was a donut store owner. Seeing some lack of respect that seems to be directed at westerners that marry South East Asian women, I decided against it, that and the idea of possibly working at a donut shop did not appeal to me!!
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by retrofuturist » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:52 am

Greetings Turmeric,
[Pictures of Turmeric chatting up Thai girls online removed...]
Is there a way you can make whatever point it is you think you're making, without taking us on a guided tour of your sensual misadventures?

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by DooDoot » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:03 am

lyndon taylor wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:19 am
What I found at the Thai and Cambodian immigrant temples is your ability to be respected by the immigrant community was directly proportional to how little interest you showed in the Thai women and girls. In fact the members were often questioning if you came to the temple looking for girls, I can only imagine what their response would have been if I answered in the affirmative. They didn't seem to like the idea.
When I lived in a monastery as a layman, I dressed in a way where Thai people knew I lived in a monastery. Plus I had lots of responsibilities so I would have to go to the large town/small city, occasionally. Sexy teenage school girls would circle me & test me, just like Thai women will test you, for your morality. It was fun. In traditional Thai culture, husbands & wives do not even hold hands in public, let alone show affection. A woman traditionally will not marry a man who has not undertaken a rains as a monk. Amongst practicing Thai Buddhists, it is certainly true your ability to be respected is directly proportional to how little interest you showed in the Thai women and girls. As for Tumeric, he/she sounds like they are part of an internet realm (loka), which naturally would include Thais who have rejected Buddha for Internet Mara.

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by DooDoot » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:27 am

Turmeric wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:21 am
if someone is heart broken, they can contemplate the foulness of the body, and use the religion to lessen their suffering.
Again, this appears to be a wrong view. According to the Pali suttas, the Lord Buddha taught to contemplate the foulness of the body for the purpose of extinguishing sexual desire. To quote:
Develop the meditation of foulness. For when you are developing the meditation of foulness, lust will be abandoned.

MN 62
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Turmeric wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:21 am
Girls don't need people protecting them from themselves, they can do what they want.
Girls can certainly do what they want & will be heirs to their kamma according to kammic law but Buddhists cannot do what they want because Buddhists protect themselves & others from both suffering & degradation. To quote:
"O Bhikkhus, protecting oneself, one protects others; protecting others, one protects oneself. And how does one, in protecting oneself, protect others? By earnest practice, cultivation and development (of satipatthana). In this way, by protecting oneself, one protects others. And how does one, in protecting others, protect oneself? By forbearance, by non-violence, by possessing a heart of metta and compassion. In this way, by protecting others, one protects oneself.

"'I shall protect myself,' with this intention, Bhikkhus, satipatthana should be practised.

"'I shall protect others,' with this intention, Bhikkhus, satipatthana should be practised.

"Protecting oneself, one protects others; protecting others, one protects oneself." [S.V.168-169]
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Turmeric wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:21 am
Please let me save you, you are going to drown, said the monkey putting the fish up into the tree.
Please let me speak the True Dhamma, said the Buddhist watching on with equanimity.
Turmeric wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:21 am
But I also support people that don't want to wait, as well as people that prefer polygamy. All I'm advocating for is the right to choose.
Polygamy is not promiscuity. The suttas appear to say polygamy is OK but say promiscuity is to behave like animals, as was already quoted. Buddhism does not appear to provide Buddhists with the right to choose the unwholesome over the wholesome. The right to choose is a non-religious matter, for non-Buddhists & non-religious people. For example, if you choose to have sex in a monastery, the monastery may call the police to remove you. No right to choose for practising Buddhists. The right to choose sounds like more Feminism.
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Re: Feminism for men

Post by DooDoot » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:36 am

Turmeric wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:31 am
Say what you really feel. That you think girls that have sex outside of marriage are dirty sluts.
Not really. I spoke my mind in the beginning, when I said girls often dangerously are seeking 'self-affirmation' (rather than mere physical pleasure) when they are promiscuous. If sex was merely physical, apart from STDs, it would not be dangerous at all. The Buddha would praise it. In my experience & observation of life, my conclusion is the more people have sex outside of marriage or prior to marriage, for the most part, the more they struggle to maintain a relationship or maintain a marriage once they decide to attempt to settle down. I theorize or hypothesize that something I call a "bonding instinct" is often broken or damaged, thus the phrase: "damaged goods". Thus, these people get older, lonelier, more desperate & often more medicated. I know lots of them.
MN 19: So too I saw in unwholesome states danger, degradation and defilement...
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