Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

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Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by dylanj » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:14 am

i.e., found in other early collections but not the nikaayas
Born, become, arisen – made, prepared, short-lived
Bonded by decay and death – a nest for sickness, perishable
Produced by seeking nutriment – not fit to take delight in


Departure from this is peaceful – beyond reasoning and enduring
Unborn, unarisen – free from sorrow and stain
Ceasing of all factors of suffering – stilling of all preparations is bliss

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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:41 am

Greetings,

Do you mean things like agamas, which don't have Pali parallels?

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by dylanj » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:10 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:41 am
Greetings,

Do you mean things like agamas, which don't have Pali parallels?

Metta,
Paul. :)
Yes exactly
Born, become, arisen – made, prepared, short-lived
Bonded by decay and death – a nest for sickness, perishable
Produced by seeking nutriment – not fit to take delight in


Departure from this is peaceful – beyond reasoning and enduring
Unborn, unarisen – free from sorrow and stain
Ceasing of all factors of suffering – stilling of all preparations is bliss

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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by mikenz66 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:19 am

Hi maranadhammomhi,

You can check out the parallels, or lack thereof, from the lists on Sutta Central: https://suttacentral.net/

The answer, is, of course, "yes".

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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by Dhammanando » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:27 am

mikenz66 wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:19 am
You can check out the parallels, or lack thereof, from the lists on Sutta Central: https://suttacentral.net
Those who don't know any of the relevant languages would best begin with those non-Pali collections that Sutta Central has in English translation. Unfortunately owing to copyright issues with Ven. Anālayo's translations the only ones presently available are a small number by Ven. Ānandajoti, Sāmaṇerī Dhammadinnā, and Marcus Bingenheimer...

Sanskrit Arthaviniścaya
https://suttacentral.net/arv

Tibetan Upāyikā texts
https://suttacentral.net/up

Second Part of the Chinese Saṃyukta Āgama
https://suttacentral.net/sa-2
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If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:47 am

Greetings,

If you find any there that appear particularly noteworthy, by all means feel free to initiate a discussion on them.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by ieee23 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:27 pm

Dhammanando wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:27 am
mikenz66 wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:19 am
You can check out the parallels, or lack thereof, from the lists on Sutta Central: https://suttacentral.net
Those who don't know any of the relevant languages would best begin with those non-Pali collections that Sutta Central has in English translation. Unfortunately owing to copyright issues with Ven. Anālayo's translations the only ones presently available are a small number by Ven. Ānandajoti, Sāmaṇerī Dhammadinnā, and Marcus Bingenheimer...

Sanskrit Arthaviniścaya
https://suttacentral.net/arv

Tibetan Upāyikā texts
https://suttacentral.net/up

Second Part of the Chinese Saṃyukta Āgama
https://suttacentral.net/sa-2

SuttaCentral.net has most of Bhikkhu Bodhi's translations online through some sort of Creative Commons License. Why wouldn't Ven Analayo choose a similar sort of license when publishing his books?
Whatever a bhikkhu frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind. - MN 19

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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by dylanj » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:55 pm

Born, become, arisen – made, prepared, short-lived
Bonded by decay and death – a nest for sickness, perishable
Produced by seeking nutriment – not fit to take delight in


Departure from this is peaceful – beyond reasoning and enduring
Unborn, unarisen – free from sorrow and stain
Ceasing of all factors of suffering – stilling of all preparations is bliss

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Post by dylanj » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:02 pm

Born, become, arisen – made, prepared, short-lived
Bonded by decay and death – a nest for sickness, perishable
Produced by seeking nutriment – not fit to take delight in


Departure from this is peaceful – beyond reasoning and enduring
Unborn, unarisen – free from sorrow and stain
Ceasing of all factors of suffering – stilling of all preparations is bliss

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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:09 pm

Greetings,

Re: SA109

Indeed... it reads like a high paced mish-mash of other teachings.

I liked this section, and couldn't help thinking of the "common folk" as activists who push identity based issues (i.e. "a multitude of wrongness"), and the "noble disciple" as the one who can see the drawbacks of such folly...
A noble disciple who is endowed with the vision of the truth gains the fruit of right comprehension (abhisamaya ). If the common folk has wrong view, that has its basis in identity view (sakkāyadiṭṭhi ), accumulates through identity view, arises through identity view, and emerges through identity view. That is, being covered by and experiencing worry and sorrow, they [still] celebrate and cher­ish it, call it a self, call it a living being, call it out­standing, special, and hold it to be superior.

“In this way this multitude of wrongness has all been completely given up and eradicated, removed at its root; like a plantain tree it will not arise again in the future.
It explains the wrongness of white supremacy and black supremacy etc. to a T.

I guess the human condition hasn't radically changed in the last 2600 years.

Thanks for sharing!

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by dylanj » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:11 pm

Born, become, arisen – made, prepared, short-lived
Bonded by decay and death – a nest for sickness, perishable
Produced by seeking nutriment – not fit to take delight in


Departure from this is peaceful – beyond reasoning and enduring
Unborn, unarisen – free from sorrow and stain
Ceasing of all factors of suffering – stilling of all preparations is bliss

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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by Dhammanando » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:31 pm

ieee23 wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:27 pm
SuttaCentral.net has most of Bhikkhu Bodhi's translations online through some sort of Creative Commons License.
It doesn't have most of them, but only a selection that Wisdom Publications have agreed to release for this purpose.

Why wouldn't Ven Analayo choose a similar sort of license when publishing his books?
You would need to ask him. We're not acquainted.
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If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by SarathW » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:59 pm

[quoteUnfortunately owing to copyright issues with Ven. Anālayo's translations ][/quote]
I din not know that Ven. Analayo also a capitalist. ;)
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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by dylanj » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:31 am

Dhammanando wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:27 am
Unfortunately owing to copyright issues with Ven. Anālayo's translations
Venerable, is it the case that these aren't available for free, or whatsoever? If the former, where can I pay for them?
Born, become, arisen – made, prepared, short-lived
Bonded by decay and death – a nest for sickness, perishable
Produced by seeking nutriment – not fit to take delight in


Departure from this is peaceful – beyond reasoning and enduring
Unborn, unarisen – free from sorrow and stain
Ceasing of all factors of suffering – stilling of all preparations is bliss

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Re: Are there any EBT suttas not found in the paali collection?

Post by Dhammanando » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:39 am

maranadhammomhi wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:31 am
Dhammanando wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:27 am
Unfortunately owing to copyright issues with Ven. Anālayo's translations
Venerable, is it the case that these aren't available for free, or whatsoever? If the former, where can I pay for them?
My understanding is that they are free but that the copyright is held by that Japanese Mahayana outfit that distributes Buddhist Gideon Bibles to Asian hotels. I've forgotten its name now.
“Keep to your own pastures, bhikkhus, walk in the haunts where your fathers roamed.
If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
— Cakkavattisīhanāda Sutta

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