Trump. And why I hate him.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by robertk » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:25 am

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-mur ... ws-of-2017
The Real Fake News of 2017

December 22, 2017 9:01 AM EST
The antipathy to Donald Trump, which in its keenest manifestations is fierce and relentless, is a disabling set of mind, nowhere more so than in the reporting on or about him.

Contempt for Trump—the conviction that he is some sort of dangerous historical “accident” in the presidential office—serves as a warrant for abandoning all disinterested judgment and analytic neutrality. To those who oppose him, particularly those in the news media, Trump is regarded as just SO bad that standards can be virtuously abandoned, and neutrality and dispassion set aside, so long as it helps (such is the hope) to hurt Trump, and, maybe, get rid of him.


The new rule is: anything that can weaken Trump’s standing, sever his connection with the populist base, and help to bring him down is fair game. Hence the sloppiness and one-directional nature of most Trump news. In just the last few weeks, Brian Ross at ABC, the Wall Street Journal, and CNN each had to correct or deny major stories that had all been wrong in the same direction. They hurt Trump.

Stories, however, that might hint at some aspects of competency or adroitness in Trump’s handling of affairs are either passed over or given the most desultory treatment. How many tins of Pepsi Trump drinks gets more coverage than the defeat of ISIS in Iraq, which has occurred under his watch. Under Obama that would have generated skyscraper headlines; under Trump you can search for it in the back pages and fine print.

Contempt for Trump serves as a warrant for abandoning all disinterested judgment



When the majority of the American media failed in their coverage of the presidential election, they had to find some excuse for their massive incompetence. The New York Times, with all their resources, and after two full years of daily coverage of the campaign, was nonetheless projecting Hillary Clinton’s chances of victory at a full 92 per cent on election night itself. That was at least better than the pathologically anti-Trump HuffPost, which had Hillary’s chances set at a modest 98 per cent! Such was the state of American journalism, these companies barely allowed for the mere possibility that Trump could win. Under their professional eye, he was just a sideshow, even in the very hours before he actually won.

These two—the Times and HuffPost—can stand for a large set of the American press, both traditional and online. Their reading of the American election was the greatest journalistic failure—the largest act of group incompetence—in decades. This failure fostered the need for some excuse for how they got so much so wrong.

They couldn’t just step out honestly and say: “Hey, we despised this guy so much that it really warped our thinking and twisted our coverage, blocked out what we didn’t want to see. We were so mad at him we could not see.” That would have been the truthful and honourable thing to do. So, obviously, it was not adopted. Instead, the answer they did come up with, quickly and conveniently enough, was Fake News.

Now there has always been fake news


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Now there has always been fake news. Newspaper, TV, magazines have always, to some degree, had a slant, an overall editorial direction. But the Fake News that we heard about for most of 2017, and were warned against by journalism’s elders, and was so deplored by the monks of NPR and PBS, was something new and altogether more sinister. This Fake News was a project in itself, something crafted specifically and particularly, and deployed maliciously, by the fiends of the Trump campaign.

The way the term Fake News was invoked by newscasters, panels, and journalism profs was actually kind of scary. Fake News was a threat to the republic; it enjoyed a corrupting power that effortlessly ousted the voices of the real media, and blunted the rational minds of the electorate. That Fake News was powerful stuff.

Actually, it was just a lot of silly rationalization for poor coverage, an excuse for incompetence on the part of much of the professional press. Fake News, no surprise, is itself fake news. That’s the primary thing to know about it. It is a product of the eagerly conspiratorial minds of the anti-Trumpers and Never Trumpers. It is quite interesting to note how the rational liberal observers of 2017 are so invested in conspiracies. They think the idiot Trump—for that is how they see him—set in motion complicated collusions with Putin and the Russians, and simultaneously undermined the national media with Fake News, and lulled an entire nation into the belief that he could not be elected.

Not bad for a 69 year old loon and lout.

Such has been the substance of the coverage of the Trump presidency since the day he took office. There’s the—forgive the expression—real fake news

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by Kim OHara » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:01 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:14 am
Greetings,
Kim OHara wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:07 am
:focus:
What?... Back to hating Trump, and ignoring the Buddha's instructions regarding hatred and aversion?

:shrug:

Ironic given how some regard "hate" speech...

Metta,
Paul. :)
Back on topic. :thumbsup:

And I didn't say that I "hate" Trump. :thumbsup:

And I'm acting and speaking - always - from compassion, not hatred. Compassion for the millions who are suffering and will suffer because of his misuse of his power. That compassion leads me to do what I can, within reasonable limits of time and energy (and without behaving unethically), to reduce his power. If he could be instantly transported to whatever he conceives to be paradise, I wouldn't mind one bit - just so long as he is permanently removed from any influence on American politics.

Here's another example of the sort of approach I don't like.
President Donald Trump began the holiday break by telling friends he invited to Mar-a-Lago for dinner that “You all just got a lot richer,” referring to the Republican tax bill — which largely benefits the wealthy. Trump told his guests this Friday evening just hours after signing the bill into law, according to CBS News.

Trump likes to argue the tax bill will not benefit him personally or high-income earners more broadly, and instead protects low- and middle-income earners. He’s repeatedly made this claim to the American public in speeches.

“This is going to cost me a fortune, this thing, believe me,” he said last month in Missouri while pitching the GOP tax bill. “This is not good for me. Me, it’s not so — I have some very wealthy friends. Not so happy with me, but that’s OK. You know, I keep hearing Schumer: ‘This is for the wealthy.’ Well, if it is, my friends don’t know about it.”

Trump’s repeated claim that he nor any of his wealthy friends would benefit is false. As PolitiFact noted, Trump “should come out far ahead” under this tax bill. Independent analysis by the New York Times and NBC found he could save $1 billion dollars.
Read more here - https://thinkprogress.org/trump-tells-m ... c4c0edd5a/

How anyone with a functioning sense of social justice or the vaguest idea of the principles of good governance could support anyone who behaves like this is beyond me.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by pulga » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:08 pm

In all fairness to Trump, the tax proposal he spoke of last month isn't the same as that which was signed into law. The GOP lowered the highest bracket from 39.6 to 37% during negotiations in order to garner the votes needed to pass the bill.

Also the report from CBS News severely lacks context. The success of the corporate tax cut is going to be defined in large part by its stimulation of capital investment. The President may have just been putting forth a quid pro quo to pressure his wealthy friends to follow through with his agenda.

I have my doubts whether the tax cuts are going to succeed. If they do, that will be great. If they fail, the Democrats will probably win a majority in the Senate, if not also the House. If that is the case, the cuts might very well be rescinded if Congress can muster the votes to override the President's veto. Otherwise it may take until after the 2020 elections to raise taxes again.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by Kim OHara » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:45 pm

pulga wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:08 pm
I have my doubts whether the tax cuts are going to succeed.
I have no doubt at all. They will not do what they are ostensibly designed to do, i.e. "stimulate the economy" and make everyone richer. Forty years of neoliberalism have shown that "trickle-down" economics is, in a word, bullshit.
We suffer from it (and I do mean "suffer") here in Oz, too. Here's a local analysis -
In the bigger picture, 45 years of trickle-down experiments, promising that the rivers of money which have flowed to corporations and the rich will turn into "jobs and growth" for all, have delivered one clear outcome: a massive and sustained increase in income and wealth inequality.

Wealth is now concentrated at the top to a greater extent than ever. Further, the International Monetary Fund found in a study last year that, as more money is pushed towards high income earners, economic growth actually slows down. The facts unarguably demonstrate that the theory of trickle-down economics is, as Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz describes it, "absolutely wrong".

It's this simple - if you give money to the rich, it makes them richer. The small part of that wealth which they choose to apply to discretionary spending adds vastly less to the economy than what it loses from the ever-increasing concentration of wealth. To put it another way: how much jobs and growth is created by one rich person paying another rich person $30 million for their harbourside house?
That's from http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-12/b ... on/7406844 and has an inline link to the IMF study - http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/sdn ... dn1513.pdf - which says -
Widening income inequality is the defining challenge of our time. In advanced economies, the gap between the rich and poor is at its highest level in decades. Inequality trends have been more mixed in emerging markets and developing countries (EMDCs), with some countries experiencing declining inequality, but pervasive inequities in access to education, health care, and finance remain. Not surprisingly then, the extent of inequality, its drivers, and what to do about it have become some of the most hotly debated issues by policymakers and researchers alike. Against this background, the objective of this paper is two-fold.
First, we show why policymakers need to focus on the poor and the middle class. Earlier IMF work has shown that income inequality matters for growth and its sustainability. Our analysis suggests that the income distribution itself matters for growth as well. Specifically, if the income share of the top 20 percent (the rich) increases, then GDP growth actually declines over the medium term, suggesting that the benefits do not trickle down. In contrast, an increase in the income share of the bottom 20 percent (the poor) is associated with higher GDP growth. The poor and the middle class matter the most for growth via a number of interrelated economic, social, and political channels.
pulga wrote: If they do, that will be great. If they fail, the Democrats will probably win a majority in the Senate, if not also the House. If that is the case, the cuts might very well be rescinded if Congress can muster the votes to override the President's veto. Otherwise it may take until after the 2020 elections to raise taxes again.
Trump has given the wealthiest 1% a huge bucket of money that should have been spent on supporting the neediest 10% and reducing the national debt.
(If you don't know how gross that is, visit http://www.usdebtclock.org.) The sooner Americans can reverse what he has done, the better.

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P.S.
Not satisfied with Republicans passing a tax bill that is hugely beneficial to them, the billionaire Koch brothers are planning to invest millions in an advertising campaign designed to sell the hugely unpopular bill to the American people.
The “full-scale, nationwide education campaign” will include TV and digital ads along with phone banking, door knocking, and town hall events, in the hopes that it will convince people of the bill’s supposed merits. ...
:reading: https://thinkprogress.org/koch-brothers ... c066da024/

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by pulga » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:40 am

Kim OHara wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:45 pm
pulga wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:08 pm
I have my doubts whether the tax cuts are going to succeed.
I have no doubt at all. They will not do what they are ostensibly designed to do, i.e. "stimulate the economy" and make everyone richer. Forty years of neoliberalism have shown that "trickle-down" economics is, in a word, bullshit.
I still think there's tremendous potential in expanding manufacturing here in the U.S.. With automation it seems like an inevitable trend. China is automating its factories in a big way, but why make something for next to nothing in China then have it shipped halfway around the world when it can be made for roughly the same cost right here in America? Though a renaissance in U.S. manufacturing is going to take a lot of capital investment. Hence the deep cut in the U.S. corporate tax rate.
The manufacturing sector needs new capabilities and investment, and more firms need to participate in exports in order to bring the benefits of global trade to more U.S. workers," Sree Ramaswamy, a partner at the McKinsey Global Institute, said in a statement accompanying the report. "Aging plants and equipment, especially in the supply chains of advanced industries, will have to be upgraded for digital readiness. The sector needs new digital and technical skills from its workforce, and U.S.-based manufacturers need to be as attractive to high-caliber talent as their foreign competitors.
Making Manufacturing Great Again Would Add $530 Billion to GDP

This seems to be President Trump's grand vision, though if he caves into the shortsighted greed of the GOP too often it may never materialize on the scale that he has in mind. What is needed is a return to the American School of Economics.

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Dhammarakkhito wrote:
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mettā for trump :heart: :candle:
and don't forget metta for the people who put him there.......
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Post by chownah » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:04 am

metta to all the horses and all the horses's parts.
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Post by alan » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:32 am

"National Post"--what is that?
Answer--it is propaganda Bullsh*t.
If you don't believe me, prove I am wrong.
Sickens me that so many people are so stupid that they cannot see the obvious.
We are at an important point in history. If those who claim to know what they are talking about actually fall for fake nonsense, and cannot, or will not, prove that what they are saying, or, even worse, do not care about what is true and what is false, then society is on a slow ride towards fascism.

Here's what I see: God Dam Trump is acting on behalf of the Russians. He wants Liberal Democracies to fail.
If that is not the case, why is he so scared? Why the need to engage the propaganda team (FOX, Brietbart, "National News", etc?)?

There are only two possible outcomes: He is guilty, or he is not. If he is not guilty, then why not just let the investigation play out? That is what I would do.
If I was not guilty.

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Post by retrofuturist » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:43 am

Greetings alan,

Hopefully I can drag you away from MSNBC long enough to get you to respond to a couple of questions...

1. What makes you believe Trump is scared?
2. Why would someone who champions the values of Western civilization want liberal democracies to fail?

Metta,
Paul. :)
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Post by DooDoot » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:56 am

alan wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:32 am
Here's what I see: God Dam Trump is acting on behalf of the Russians. He wants Liberal Democracies to fail.
The last news I heard (which was weeks ago) was Trump's people contacted Russia on the request of Israel; in an attempt to get favourable votes for Israel at the UN. This undemocratic attempt at vote-rigging was Israeli. The Russians obviously refused.

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Post by chownah » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:35 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:43 am
Greetings alan,

Hopefully I can drag you away from MSNBC long enough to get you to respond to a couple of questions...

1. What makes you believe Trump is scared?
2. Why would someone who champions the values of Western civilization want liberal democracies to fail?

Metta,
Paul. :)
You made a spelling error....I will correct it:
2. Why would someone who champions the value$ of We$tern civilization want liberal democracies to fail?
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Post by retrofuturist » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:42 am

Greetings Chownah,

Yes, market capitali$m is one of those value$.

Since socialism and communism predictably turn countries into authoritarian, undemocratic, poverty stricken hell holes, that's a great example of the kinds of traditional Western values I was talking about.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by alan » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:48 am

My friend Retro, Trump is scared because he knows he is guilty.
Trump does not represent the values of Western Civilization, he is redefining it. Toward a negative. He is aligned with Putin, who owns him.

Also, I''ve been offered a gig on MSNBC as a commenter. Do you think I should take it?
Means I'll have to move to New York City, and go on TV. Might be happier just taking pretty beach pics.
What do you think? Be a TV pundit, or stay on the beach, making beauty?

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