Buddha's skin colour

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:14 am

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by Nicolas » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:49 pm

Sovatthika wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:35 am
[Ven. Sujato] also makes the argument i've been told that devas are only literary devices.
Source for this?
Sovatthika wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:35 am
no, what really distresses me is the fundamental misunderstanding one can have regarding the ability of an arahant to lie.....
People who don't believe in the 32 Marks don't believe that any arahant lied, they believe the suttas or the portions of suttas mentioning the Marks to be inauthentic or non-literal.

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by DNS » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:03 pm

Nicolas wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:49 pm
People who don't believe in the 32 Marks don't believe that any arahant lied, they believe the suttas or the portions of suttas mentioning the Marks to be inauthentic or non-literal.
Sovatthika was referring to another topic, the 4th precept and was posting off-topic when he made that remark. He was referring to an article I wrote where I suggested the Buddha might have used skillful means, regarding Nanda. He was stating that he is "distressed" to use his words about that, apparently more so than the 32 marks issue. I have merged several 4th precept threads and bumped that thread up for anyone interested.

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by thomaslaw » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:44 am

The Buddha in the Pali texts does not say he has 32 marks to monks.

Thomas

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by Coëmgenu » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:05 pm

thomaslaw wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:44 am
The Buddha in the Pali texts does not say he has 32 marks to monks.

Thomas
Its in DN?
世尊在靈山會上拈華示眾眾皆默然唯迦葉破顏微笑世尊云
The Lord dwelt at the Vulture Peak with the assembly and plucked a flower as a teaching. The myriad totality were silent, save for Kāśyapa, whose face cracked in a faint smile. The Lord spoke.
吾有正法眼藏涅槃妙心實相無相微妙法門不立文字教外別傳付囑摩訶迦葉。
I have the treasure of the true dharma eye, I have nirvāṇa as wondrous citta, I know signless dharmatā, the subtle dharma-gate, which is not standing on written word, which is external to scriptures, which is a special dispensation, which is entrusted to Mahākāśyapa.

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by dharmacorps » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:48 pm

Does anyone else here gets the creeps when they see all the threads about the Buddha's "race" "skin color" and "appearance"? While the 32 marks are interesting, who really cares what color Buddha's skin was? Part of my concern is racists probably care the most obsessing about his "aryan" stock. Not trying to highjack this thread but the number of posts about this is quite jarring.

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by SarathW » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:24 pm

:goodpost: Dharmacops.
Agree!
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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by pilgrim » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:05 pm

Modern people are so fearful of being perceived as Racist ( there, I mentioned the elephant in the room), that any mention of skin colour is whispered only with extreme sensitivity. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with being curious of how the founder of our religion looked like. Yes, he's Asian, and probably looked like many north Indians today. If anyone has difficulty picturing that, google Shah Rukh Khan. :tongue:

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by Kusala » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:31 am

pilgrim wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:05 pm
Modern people are so fearful of being perceived as Racist ( there, I mentioned the elephant in the room), that any mention of skin colour is whispered only with extreme sensitivity. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with being curious of how the founder of our religion looked like. Yes, he's Asian, and probably looked like many north Indians today. If anyone has difficulty picturing that, google Shah Rukh Khan.
:tongue:
Khan doesn't have "blue eyes" and he's only 5'8".
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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by pilgrim » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:48 am

People claiming to be Sakyas still live along the southern edge of Nepal and in small communities in India, around Sankasia for eg. But I think intermarriage down thru the centuries have largely diluted physical features of their ethnicity.
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Phra Anil Shakya, an ethnic Sakyan of Nepali nationality living in Bangkok.

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by pilgrim » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:54 am

Ven Metteya Sakyaputta of Lumbini, the last name means a Sakyan son
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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by thomaslaw » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:48 am

Coëmgenu wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:05 pm
thomaslaw wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:44 am
The Buddha in the Pali texts does not say he has 32 marks to monks.

Thomas
Its in DN?
The text does not state the Buddha has the 32 marks. The text only states about the great man's marks.

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by thomaslaw » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:28 am

pilgrim wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:48 am
People claiming to be Sakyas still live along the southern edge of Nepal and in small communities in India, around Sankasia for eg. But I think intermarriage down thru the centuries have largely diluted physical features of their ethnicity.

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Phra Anil Shakya, an ethnic Sakyan of Nepali nationality living in Bangkok.
If Phra Anil Shakya is the same ethnic Sakyan of the Buddha, his ethnic language should be the same language of the Buddha. Good news indeed!

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:44 am

thomaslaw wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:44 am
The Buddha in the Pali texts does not say he has 32 marks to monks.

Thomas
https://suttacentral.net/en/dn14
there's a whole long discourse about the marks as well https://suttacentral.net/en/dn30
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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:47 am

race isn't skin color
"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
— Ud 5.5

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