Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by Zom » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:52 am

We live in an age where information is highly abundant. But we need to ask ourselves whether that is always a good thing? It can depend on what type of information we are talking about.
Better than to live somewhere in middle ages with no information at all, or (usually) with a distorted and biased one if you was born in some buddhist region, with no chance to discover alternative sources and opinions. But worse than to live 2500 years ago right in north-eastern India -)
2500 years ago in Ancient India there was no CNN, Fox News or BBC. There was no Times magazine or The Independent. Yet the society back then was far more spiritually developed than we have ever seen.
Hard to say. Without a doubt, there were a lot of highly spiritually developed people (this is the reason why Buddha appeared back then in the world - or, vice versa, they were there because Buddha was about to born there), but I doubt this could be said about all (or even major part of) population of that time.

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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by SarathW » Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:58 pm

I think, if internet was available in Buddha's time he would have been the first person to exploit it.
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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by retrofuturist » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:38 pm

Greetings,
SarathW wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:00 pm
I like the new age information overload.
Now I can chose what I want to see or hear.
In the past I have to rely on the idiot box or the lying news papers with their own agenda.
Likewise. It leaves the individual less susceptible to propaganda, if they're intellectually willing to seek out and consider alternative perspectives. (Hence why the co-ordinated mainstream media fight so hard to discredit them.)

On the flip side, just because there is so much information available - more than can be consumed in a day, doesn't necessarily mean we should try to take it all in at once. Sometimes a little sense restraint goes a long way...

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by SarathW » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:52 pm

Sometimes a little sense restraint goes a long way...
Agree.
Again if someone is lucky enough to find a forum like DW, it covers important topics not only Buddhism but information provides general knowledge.
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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by Dharmasherab » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:33 am

The abundance of information in the media as well as cyberspace is a double-edged sword. It has its obvious benefits. Especially we as Buddhists can search for Buddhist information over the internet provided we comes across reliable sources instead of having to consider only the option of visiting libraries like the olden days when books were not that common.

It’s just about being aware of the flip side and the obstacles it creates for us in the path to enlightenment. I don’t know about others but I consider the news as a 'Samskara hose pipe'. I personally feel I would rather channel that attention towards Buddhist texts because there are plenty of Suttas and texts in Abhidhamma already to get through remembering that all of this Dhamma was preached for a reason and they not just throw away lines.

Indulgence in current affairs and news can be like a brain tumour which occupies the space of the mind which wont allow the Dhamma to grow in the mind.

Thank you Mike for that 'Facebook Sutta'. I ll check it out.

As for the quote by Lama Jampa that I used what matters is the content of his quote and not getting too hung up in a form of ‘religious identity politics’ going off topic as to why I brought up his name. There have been instances where people bring quotes even from non-Buddhists but that doesn’t imply that such people try to promote ideas outside of Buddhism in DhammaWheel. Likewise when I used the quote from Lama Jampa it was the message that mattered with respect to this post and not the identity of the person. Ad hominem includes but is not limited to insulting. It also includes criticism of the identity or attribute of the person making a statement rather than the actual substance within that statement.

argumentum ad hominem

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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by Saengnapha » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:15 am

mikenz66 wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:40 am
Hi Dharmasherab,

Perhaps you should refer to the latest Sutta of the Pali Canon...

The Facebook Sutta (SN 57.1)

:heart:
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:rofl: Very clever.

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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by DooDoot » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:20 am

Dharmasherab wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:33 am
The abundance of information in the media as well as cyberspace is a double-edged sword.
No, it is not. The abundance of information in the media is a vehicle (yāna) for the development of discernment (paññā).
yāna
neuter
a carriage; vehicle; going.
paññā
feminine
wisdom; knowledge; insight.

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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by Saengnapha » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:43 am

Dharmasherab wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:33 am
The abundance of information in the media as well as cyberspace is a double-edged sword. It has its obvious benefits. Especially we as Buddhists can search for Buddhist information over the internet provided we comes across reliable sources instead of having to consider only the option of visiting libraries like the olden days when books were not that common.

It’s just about being aware of the flip side and the obstacles it creates for us in the path to enlightenment. I don’t know about others but I consider the news as a 'Samskara hose pipe'. I personally feel I would rather channel that attention towards Buddhist texts because there are plenty of Suttas and texts in Abhidhamma already to get through remembering that all of this Dhamma was preached for a reason and they not just throw away lines.

Indulgence in current affairs and news can be like a brain tumour which occupies the space of the mind which wont allow the Dhamma to grow in the mind.

Thank you Mike for that 'Facebook Sutta'. I ll check it out.

As for the quote by Lama Jampa that I used what matters is the content of his quote and not getting too hung up in a form of ‘religious identity politics’ going off topic as to why I brought up his name. There have been instances where people bring quotes even from non-Buddhists but that doesn’t imply that such people try to promote ideas outside of Buddhism in DhammaWheel. Likewise when I used the quote from Lama Jampa it was the message that mattered with respect to this post and not the identity of the person. Ad hominem includes but is not limited to insulting. It also includes criticism of the identity or attribute of the person making a statement rather than the actual substance within that statement.

argumentum ad hominem
While it's true that there is some antagonism regarding Tibetan Buddhism within this forum, the same applies to Dharmawheel, where there is a negative bias towards Theravada and the Pali Canon.

The points that Doo Doot made were very clear. I hope you can see that. But the point of disenchantment, disinterest, and dispassion is a crucial turning point in someone who is interested in Dhamma. If one is still attracted by news, looking for entertainment or distraction, one has not developed any insight and has not understood the nature of phenomenon which is changeable and unsatisfying. There is still all this habit energy going towards attraction and the emotional reactions that take place in you are the signs of it. Living in any age, the ideas of the world and yourself must be turned away from. This is what it means to calm the body and cultivate wisdom. Just sayin'

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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by Saengnapha » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:45 am

DooDoot wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:20 am
Dharmasherab wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:33 am
The abundance of information in the media as well as cyberspace is a double-edged sword.
No, it is not. The abundance of information in the media is a vehicle (yāna) for the development of discernment (paññā).
yāna
neuter
a carriage; vehicle; going.
paññā
feminine
wisdom; knowledge; insight.
Discernment of what? Do you study media as opposed to Dhamma? Do they lead to the same thing? Perhaps you meant something else by your statement?

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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by DooDoot » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:19 am

Saengnapha wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:45 am
Discernment of what?
For insight purposes, discernment of propaganda vs truth, so disenchantment can be developed towards Mara's world.

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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by Saengnapha » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:02 am

DooDoot wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:19 am
Saengnapha wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:45 am
Discernment of what?
For insight purposes, discernment of propaganda vs truth, so disenchantment can be developed towards Mara's world.
I see your point. Ordinary experience seems to fit the bill, too.

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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by Dinsdale » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:36 pm

Less time on the internet might be helpful... :thumbsup:
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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by Dharmasherab » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:08 pm

Saengnapha wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:43 am
While it's true that there is some antagonism regarding Tibetan Buddhism within this forum, the same applies to Dharmawheel, where there is a negative bias towards Theravada and the Pali Canon.


Actually waht I wanted to bring forward was a quote that I found relevant in a book and that happened to be mentioned by a 'Lama'. But it was the message I was focussing on and the actual content of that quote can be appreciated by type of Buddhist. His identity becomes irrelevant because he was not making a statement which was exclusive to Tibetan Buddhism.

Also the DhammaWheel forum is meant to be dicussions on Theravada only. Because of this I refrained from discussing about the Lama or Tibetan Buddhism because I will violating the ToS. So this is the reason I did not include explanations of Tibetan Buddhism in responses. The quote I provided earlier in the post was as valuable as the content within that quote only and nothing more than that. There are plenty of quotes taken from indivudals who are not part of any type of Buddhism. So taking a quote from a Lama should make no difference.
Saengnapha wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:43 am
But the point of disenchantment, disinterest, and dispassion is a crucial turning point in someone who is interested in Dhamma. If one is still attracted by news, looking for entertainment or distraction, one has not developed any insight and has not understood the nature of phenomenon which is changeable and unsatisfying. There is still all this habit energy going towards attraction and the emotional reactions that take place in you are the signs of it. Living in any age, the ideas of the world and yourself must be turned away from. This is what it means to calm the body and cultivate wisdom. Just sayin'
Exactly Saenghapha spot on! As for that person you mentioned I dont read his posts because he is in my ignore list for reasons of my own (which I have already discussed with the admins).

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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by Dharmasherab » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:33 pm

Aloka wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:09 pm
Why keep quoting lamas then ?
Because the importance of the quote matters as much as the content within that quote and not the identity of the individual within the limits of what is being discussed.

I have seen people quote from those who not part of any school of Buddhism yet the value is meant to be in the content only and not embedded within the identity of the individual that makes them provided that the content of the quote is within the context of what is being discussed.

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Re: Living as Buddhists in an age of 'Information Overload'

Post by Aloka » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:52 pm

Dharmasherab wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:33 pm
Aloka wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:09 pm
Why keep quoting lamas then ?
Because the importance of the quote matters as much as the content within that quote and not the identity of the individual within the limits of what is being discussed.

I have seen people quote from those who not part of any school of Buddhism yet the value is meant to be in the content only and not embedded within the identity of the individual that makes them provided that the content of the quote is within the context of what is being discussed.
I made that comment because you said "I prefer not to discuss Tibetan Buddhism in DhammaWheel" and it seemed strange that you would say that when you have quoted Tibetan lamas in your posts, that's all.

Other than that, and with all due respect, I'm really not interested in getting into a boring lengthy argument with you. Life's too short.

be well and happy. :hello:

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