Hello, all!
I 'd like to join the Uposatha Observance Club
Tomorrow (Nov.2nd) and the day after tomorrow(Nov.3rd) will be two successive uposatha days.
Hapyy uposatha day
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With the arising of delight, there is the arising of suffering. With the cessation of delight, comes the cessation of suffering.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
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It's just practice and we'll be together.
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Tomorrow is an uposatha day. Happy uposatha day
With the arising of delight, there is the arising of suffering. With the cessation of delight, comes the cessation of suffering.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
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Tomorrow (Nov.16) and the day after tomorrow(Nov.17) are two successive Uposatha Days
Hapyy Uposatha Day
Hapyy Uposatha Day
With the arising of delight, there is the arising of suffering. With the cessation of delight, comes the cessation of suffering.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
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This might be the case on some other planet, but on ours the next uposatha is the new moon day on the 18th.
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
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OMG Could it be possible that our Chinese calendar not the same as yours? Or was it misprinted?Dhammanando wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:20 pm
This might be the case on some other planet, but on ours the next uposatha is the new moon day on the 18th.
Anyway, tomorrow(Nov.25) is an Uposatha Day, am I right? I'd like to make sure
With the arising of delight, there is the arising of suffering. With the cessation of delight, comes the cessation of suffering.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
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Between the calendars of Thailand, Sri Lanka and Myanmar, and between those of the Mahānikāya and Dhammayuttika Nikāya within Thailand, it's not uncommon for there to be a one-day difference in the calculation of uposatha days. I don't think there is ever a 2-day difference.
According to the Thai Mahānikāya calendar the eighth day of the waxing moon will be on 26th November.
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
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And it appears to be on this date in all the other calendars too. You can compare them here:Dhammanando wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:09 am According to the Thai Mahānikāya calendar the eighth day of the waxing moon will be on 26th November.
https://dharma-records.buddhasasana.net ... ndars-2017
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
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Thank you very much, bhante
From the calendars in the link, there are only two uposatha days each month whereas six days based on my previous calculations. Ok, I'll adjust according to international practice.
From the calendars in the link, there are only two uposatha days each month whereas six days based on my previous calculations. Ok, I'll adjust according to international practice.
With the arising of delight, there is the arising of suffering. With the cessation of delight, comes the cessation of suffering.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
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The calendars show only the full moon and new moon uposathas. The other uposathas always fall on the eighth day after each of these.
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
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Thank you bhanteDhammanando wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:59 amThe calendars show only the full moon and new moon uposathas. The other uposathas always fall on the eighth day after each of these.
a little bit confused ~ then there are altogether four uposathas each month
With the arising of delight, there is the arising of suffering. With the cessation of delight, comes the cessation of suffering.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
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Yes. Two great uposathas, when monks hold a Pāṭimokkha recitation, and two lesser uposathas on the eighth days of the waxing and waning moons.
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
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Bhante,just to confirm, the procedure of determining Uposatha is as simple as:
- Find the days of full and new moon (for your location)
- These days and full-moon+8 and new-moon+8 are uposatha?
I always thought that the determination would be more complicated. Are any other rules applicable that should be kept in mind or is this it? In the past I have tried to find passages in the canon describing this but could never find anything very clear.
- Find the days of full and new moon (for your location)
- These days and full-moon+8 and new-moon+8 are uposatha?
I always thought that the determination would be more complicated. Are any other rules applicable that should be kept in mind or is this it? In the past I have tried to find passages in the canon describing this but could never find anything very clear.
Dry up what pertains to the past,
do not take up anything to come later.
If you will not grasp in the middle,
you will live at peace.—Snp.5.11,v.1099 (tr. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
Whatever is will be was. —Ven. Ñānamoli, A Thinkers Notebook, §221
do not take up anything to come later.
If you will not grasp in the middle,
you will live at peace.—Snp.5.11,v.1099 (tr. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
Whatever is will be was. —Ven. Ñānamoli, A Thinkers Notebook, §221
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Hi Ruud,
I can't answer your question directly, but clearly there are various choices that make it a little more complex.
Full moon will fall at some particular time on a particular day in a particular time zone. But perhaps you want Uposotha to be the day when the moon is full before the end of the night, rather than the day that the moon is full before middnight... Lots of choices there.
And using the local time zone could be really confusing. So we might use different dates here in New Zealand from Thailand, for example? Should we do the calculation correcting for local noon, or using the time-zone time?
In practice, one would tend to simply use the calendar for the particular Nikaya one belongs to to avoid people showing up on different days!
Mike
I can't answer your question directly, but clearly there are various choices that make it a little more complex.
Full moon will fall at some particular time on a particular day in a particular time zone. But perhaps you want Uposotha to be the day when the moon is full before the end of the night, rather than the day that the moon is full before middnight... Lots of choices there.
And using the local time zone could be really confusing. So we might use different dates here in New Zealand from Thailand, for example? Should we do the calculation correcting for local noon, or using the time-zone time?
In practice, one would tend to simply use the calendar for the particular Nikaya one belongs to to avoid people showing up on different days!
Mike
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Yes, some people do it like that. Others, as Mike mentioned, will prefer to follow the calendar of the particular tradition that they're affiliated with. For example, the Dhammayutt calendar if they're involved with Wat Metta or some other Dhammayutt wat, the Mahānikāya calendar if they're involved with an Ajahn Chah monastery, the Burmese calendar if it's a Burmese vihāra, etc.
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)