Bah humbug!

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Re: Bah humbug!

Post by Mawkish1983 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:18 pm

Bubbabuddhist wrote:I like it here in my bubble.
Ah, I've heard about that place.

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Re: Bah humbug!

Post by davcuts » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:02 pm

I like Christmas for the most part. I do all my shopping online and don't bother with Walmart and malls. Instead I get the gifts delivered to my door. I can even get them wrapped before they are shipped. The problem I'm having this year is I'm snowed in. We got a huge winter storm, and I don't know if I'll be able to deliver those gifts on Friday. That will suck to say the least. Bah humbug to this crappy weather!!!

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Re: Bah humbug!

Post by mikenz66 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:20 pm

Surely those who can't stand Christmas can be thankful for some useful cittanupassana practise... :thinking:

Personally, like Chris, I take a lot of positive things to do with generosity from the whole thing, though here in New Zealand it's a lot more laid back than in the US...


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Re: Bah humbug!

Post by Ben » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:36 pm

Mawkish1983 wrote:
Bubbabuddhist wrote:I like it here in my bubble.
Ah, I've heard about that place.
And he who looks upon the world
As one who looks upon a bubble,
As one who looks upon a mirage,
Is out of sight of Death the King'

-- Dhp 170 in Vism XXI: 27

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Bah humbug!

Post by Dan74 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:05 pm

Several years ago I decided that Christmas should be renamed "Consumerfest"
I hate everything about Christmas but it's the idiotic, repetitive and mindless jingles that really drive me nuts
"Jingle bells, Christmas sells
A merry merry time!
Getting pissed is on the list
And spending every dime - hey!"

A contribution from a friend (an adaptation of God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen):
(warning: song title does not represent the actual content)

and something to lift the spirits (in a twisted sort of way):

:lol: from ES


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Re: Bah humbug!

Post by mikenz66 » Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:10 pm

Buddhism at Christmastime
An Essay by George Boeree

When people find out that I'm a Buddhist, they always have these cute little questions like, "Do you celebrate Christmas?" Well, I've always loved Christmas a lot, so the question kinda throws me every time.
First, they make the mistake of assuming that Christmas is a purely Christian holiday, and of course it's not: It has roots in the winter solstice celebration common to northern people, and many other roots. Christmas trees, holly branches, mistletoe, candles, feasts, gift-giving -- all are older than Christmas "proper."
Some will point out "it IS called Christmas, you know!" I (playfully!) point out that Easter is named after Eostre, goddess of the dawn (the east)! I do get some pretty dirty looks.

Santa Claus is a particular favorite of mine. He derives from the Christian Saint Nicholas, of course, but he's slowly become a more archetypal creature. It strikes me that he bears an uncanny resemblance to Pu Tai (Hotei in Japanese), the cheerful fat monk with the big hemp sack full of gifts for children. He is considered to be an incarnation of Maitreya, the future Buddha.

I have a little statue of him on a table next to my favorite chair, and he smiles at the various Santas on my Christmas tree -- and they smile back!

Some people ask me why I let my kids believe in Santa, only to disillusion them later. But I think Santa is actually for the adults, teaching us unselfish, anonymous generosity!

Even the nativity is a wonderful story. I see it more as myth than reality (the same way I view most Buddhist stories) but it touches me anyway. Beyond all the centuries of accumulated superstition, Jesus seems to have been another enlightened being, serving a different people in a different time.

The nativity story is like a parable that illustrates the wisdom of such expressions as "the meek shall inherit the earth." That's always sounded so "Buddhist" to me -- I wonder if there is a parallel in the sutras?
Mary particularly touches me (though, raised a Protestant, I was taught not to "over-value" her like Catholics do!). She has a nice counterpoint in Kuan Yin (Kwannon, or Avalokiteshwara) in his/her feminine aspect: She, too, hears the sorrows of the world. Buddhism, like Christianity, comes out of a male-dominated culture, and both need that feminine touch!

Really, what could be more "Buddhist" than a holiday that celebrates giving, compassion, and human warmth! Here's a little "present" for you, a quote from a 16th century Italian monk:
I salute you! There is nothing I can give you which you have not;
but there is much, that, while I cannot give, you can take.
No heaven can come to us unless our hearts find rest in it today.
Take Heaven.
No peace lies in the future which is not hidden in this present instant.
Take Peace.
The gloom of the world is but a shadow; behind it, yet within our reach, is joy.
Take Joy.
And so, at this Christmas time, I greet you, with the prayer that for you, now and forever, the day breaks and the shadows flee away.
--Fra Giovanni, 1513
Quoted in Tasha Tudor's "Take Joy! The Tasha Tudor Christmas Book" (Cleveland: Collins World, 1966).

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Re: Bah humbug!

Post by phil » Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:33 am

I've come to love Christmas, but probably because I've spent the last 10 of 'em in Japan where there is no irritating mix between religion and gross commercialism. And the kind of commercialism that rules seems less intent on being expected to buy a huge number of presents for every being in your realm. And the Christmas lights are more stylish. And the pizza delivery guys on their motorbikes wear Santa costumes. (I did once see a party decoration featuring a crucified Santa, which worked for me...)


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(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)


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