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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by retrofuturist » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:16 am

Greetings Phena,

Are you falsely accusing me of being Alt-Right.

Metta,
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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by Phena » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:21 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings Phena,

Are you falsely accusing me of being Alt-Right.

Metta,
Paul. :)
Well you are using the rhetoric of the alt-right, but I have no idea what label you attach to your extreme right position.

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by Mr Man » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:24 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings Mr.Man,

If it were to be moved anywhere it would be to Personal Experience, or possibly Connections To Other Paths.

I would be OK with either if the OP wanted the topic moved to either of those sections. Alternatively, I see no problem where it is... its location does not curtail discussion.

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Paul. :)
You don't see a connection with politics?

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by Sam Vara » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:25 am

Phena wrote: Well you are using the rhetoric of the alt-right, but I have no idea what label you attach to your extreme right position.
Who is to say what is an "extreme right" position? If someone doesn't think that Retro is extreme, how are we to decide who is right?

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by Mr Man » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:26 am

Paul why do you spread falsehoods?

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by Mr Man » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:27 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Phena wrote: Well you are using the rhetoric of the alt-right, but I have no idea what label you attach to your extreme right position.
Who is to say what is an "extreme right" position? If someone doesn't think that Retro is extreme, how are we to decide who is right?
From what is evident? What is your political stance Sam?

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by retrofuturist » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:27 am

Greetings,
Mr Man wrote:Paul why do you spread falsehoods?
I don't. Why do you perceive them as such?

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by Mr Man » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:28 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,
Mr Man wrote:Paul why do you spread falsehoods?
I don't. Why do you perceive them as such?

Metta,
Paul. :)
Because this is not true

I guess now that we live in an age where leftists deem anyone to the right of Michael Moore to be either a "white supremacist" or a "Nazi",

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by Sam Vara » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:30 am

Mr Man wrote:
Sam Vara wrote:
Phena wrote: Well you are using the rhetoric of the alt-right, but I have no idea what label you attach to your extreme right position.
Who is to say what is an "extreme right" position? If someone doesn't think that Retro is extreme, how are we to decide who is right?
From what is evident? What is your political stance Sam?
What is "evident" is presumably "evident" to both parties; those who think that Retro is extreme right, and those who don't. So that won't help us decide who is right.

Similarly, my political stance is irrelevant to the question I asked. You might as well ask me about my favourite sandwich-filling.

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by Phena » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:45 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Phena wrote: Well you are using the rhetoric of the alt-right, but I have no idea what label you attach to your extreme right position.
Who is to say what is an "extreme right" position? If someone doesn't think that Retro is extreme, how are we to decide who is right?
Well, ultimately what is "extreme" what is "right"? Just language and conventions of the conceptual realm that consciousness is established on.

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by Mr Man » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:02 pm

Here is another example of a falsehood
When you look at the world through leftist identitarian lenses, that is what you are bound to see. I am not in the slightest bit surprised... the Satipatthana Sutta says as much

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by Sam Vara » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:11 pm

Phena wrote:
Sam Vara wrote:
Phena wrote: Well you are using the rhetoric of the alt-right, but I have no idea what label you attach to your extreme right position.
Who is to say what is an "extreme right" position? If someone doesn't think that Retro is extreme, how are we to decide who is right?
Well, ultimately what is "extreme" what is "right"? Just language and conventions of the conceptual realm that consciousness is established on.
If the meaning of a term is merely conventional, then how are we to know whether we are using it correctly? Where are the conventions to be found, such that we know whether our use is normal or idiosyncratic?

My point is that consciousness is established on more than a merely conceptual realm which we happen to find. It is established on a sense of "I" and "mine". What is "extreme" is something which is perceived to be a long way from "me". What is "right wing" is something to the right of "me". I know people - communities of people, with their own conventions of language - who would consider Retro to be extremely right wing, and others who would consider him to be extremely left wing. Who has read the conventions of language correctly, and how do we know that they have?

What is "the rhetoric of the alt-right"?

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by retrofuturist » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:24 pm

Greetings Mr Man,
Mr Man wrote:Here is another example of a falsehood
When you look at the world through leftist identitarian lenses, that is what you are bound to see. I am not in the slightest bit surprised... the Satipatthana Sutta says as much
Not false. How we volitionally frame reality determines 'existence' and what is true to each of us in terms of our subjective experience. When one frames experience through the lens of patriarchy, identity politics, critical race theory and other such frames of reference adopted by those on the left, then experience and understandings will be shaped accordingly.

Thus, my total lack of surprise that Phena framed things as described.

See? No lies. Just a different 'loka', and an awareness that it is so. How could it be otherwise?

That said, your insinuation that I was lying was rather distasteful. The civilized and decent thing to do would be to apologize.

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by Mr Man » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:37 pm

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings Mr Man,
Mr Man wrote:Here is another example of a falsehood
When you look at the world through leftist identitarian lenses, that is what you are bound to see. I am not in the slightest bit surprised... the Satipatthana Sutta says as much
Not false.
The falsehood is making a connection between "Satipatthana Sutta" and "leftist identitarian lenses".

This also was a falsehood -
I guess now that we live in an age where leftists deem anyone to the right of Michael Moore to be either a "white supremacist" or a "Nazi"

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Re: Buddhism, Socialism/Communism and Capitalism

Post by retrofuturist » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:43 pm

Greetings Mr Man,
Mr Man wrote:The falsehood is making a connection between "Satipatthana Sutta" and "leftist identitarian lenses".
The whole sutta pertains to frames of reference. If you can't fathom that, then how can I help you comprehend it?

:shrug:

So, I guess, in the end not only do you violate the Terms of Service by making unsubstantiated accusations against individuals, but instead of apologizing for your misdemeanours, you double down on your aspersions.

Quite sad, really.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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