the great vegetarian debate

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Disciple » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:17 am

lyndon taylor wrote:You're not eating meat because you think the Buddha ate meat, you're eating meat because you like to eat meat, and you don't seem to care that innocent animals had to die so you can eat meat, that's what I call Holier than Thou.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Santi253 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:45 am

Since becoming vegetarian, I am not only eating healthier food, but I am also trying new foods like kale and avocados, and being more creative than I was before with food. Until recently, I never ate avocados, and now they are the main source of healthy fat in my diet.

A few minutes ago, I made baked avocados with eggs where the pit goes. I would have never made this before becoming vegetarian. While I normally just eat egg whites, this dish calls for the whole egg, and it was very satisfying.

Nowadays, the only thing I eat that you take out of the freezer and pop in the microwave is either veggie burgers or frozen vegetables. I used to live on frozen chicken nuggets, TV dinners, and pizza.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by chownah » Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:58 am

Santi253 wrote:Since becoming vegetarian, I am not only eating healthier food, but I am also trying new foods like kale and avocados, and being more creative than I was before with food. Until recently, I never ate avocados, and now they are the main source of healthy fat in my diet.

A few minutes ago, I made baked avocados with eggs where the pit goes. I would have never made this before becoming vegetarian. While I normally just eat egg whites, this dish calls for the whole egg, and it was very satisfying.

Nowadays, the only thing I eat that you take out of the freezer and pop in the microwave is either veggie burgers or frozen vegetables. I used to live on frozen chicken nuggets, TV dinners, and pizza.
Whatever you do don't think about what happens to a hen when she reaches menopause.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Santi253 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:20 am

chownah wrote: Whatever you do don't think about what happens to a hen when she reaches menopause.
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Being a lacto-ovo vegetarian causes less harm to animals, to personal health, and to the environment than does the standard American diet. I've already provided evidence for this being the case in this thread.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Kim OHara » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:22 am

chownah wrote:
Santi253 wrote:Since becoming vegetarian, I am not only eating healthier food, but I am also trying new foods like kale and avocados, and being more creative than I was before with food. Until recently, I never ate avocados, and now they are the main source of healthy fat in my diet.

A few minutes ago, I made baked avocados with eggs where the pit goes. I would have never made this before becoming vegetarian. While I normally just eat egg whites, this dish calls for the whole egg, and it was very satisfying.

Nowadays, the only thing I eat that you take out of the freezer and pop in the microwave is either veggie burgers or frozen vegetables. I used to live on frozen chicken nuggets, TV dinners, and pizza.
Whatever you do don't think about what happens to a hen when she reaches menopause.
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She comes back as chicken nuggets?

:tongue:
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Santi253 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:24 am

Kim OHara wrote: She comes back as chicken nuggets?

:tongue:
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Gross.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Kim OHara » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:48 am

Santi253 wrote:
Kim OHara wrote: She comes back as chicken nuggets?

:tongue:
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Gross.
Indeed.

Life's like that.

:meditate:
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Santi253 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:14 am

Kim OHara wrote:
Santi253 wrote:
Kim OHara wrote: She comes back as chicken nuggets?

:tongue:
Kim
Gross.
Indeed.

Life's like that.

:meditate:
Kim
I'm thankful that I have a choice to eat some kale with nonfat ranch dressing instead.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by chownah » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:32 am

Santi253 wrote:
Kim OHara wrote: She comes back as chicken nuggets?

:tongue:
Kim
Gross.
I warned you not to think about it!....but do you ever listen to me?.....No.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Santi253 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:34 am

chownah wrote:
Santi253 wrote:
Kim OHara wrote: She comes back as chicken nuggets?

:tongue:
Kim
Gross.
I warned you not to think about it!....but do you ever listen to me?.....No.
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It only reminds me of how poor quality the meat is in this country, which is another reason to be vegetarian. Chicken nuggets, as well as ground beef and hot dogs, are often made from pink slime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanica ... rated_meat
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Kim OHara » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:55 am

Pink slime?? :rolleye:
Yeah, another reason for vegetarianism - but may be, more logically, a reason for avoiding processed food. I mean, corn flakes could be made of the vegetable equivalent of pink slime and we wouldn't even know. As for that weird 'textured vegetable protein' sold to vegetarians as a meat substitute :spy: ... no, don't think about it. :tongue: Really don't think about it.

And whatever you do, don't watch Soylent Green.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by chownah » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:18 pm

I don't know......sweetened pink slime poured over shaved ice sounds like a great summertime refresher!!!
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by FallAway » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:47 pm

I have been a vegetarian for thirty years now. Health-wise, my body/mind has overcome cancer and advanced cirrhosis (non-alcoholic). Spiritually, my heart is content and at peace.

It was exactly the fifth precept of Buddhism that drew me into the three refuges. Nothing spoke to me as warmly and lovingly as this precept...and I doubt that I will ever find such welcoming acceptance of a "harm not" worldview in any other path.

I have chickens and eat their nourishing, non-fertilized eggs. They live out their natural lives here free "as birds". They are loved for themselves and for their gifts of eggs. I have no desire for fish, dairy or chicken meat, which some vegetarians will include in their diets.

I have always found plenty to eat in a social setting...barbeques usually have buns and some type of salad offered. More than sufficient. I've found that when invited to such things and it becomes known that I am a vegetarian two camps will spring up: people who are "worried" that I haven't got enough to eat, and people who will defend meat-eating even if opinions are unsolicited.

I understand that if I ordained I could choose to not eat meat if put into my alms bowl and give the offering to another. This is what I would choose to do.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Santi253 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:37 pm

Kim OHara wrote:Pink slime?? :rolleye:
As for that weird 'textured vegetable protein' sold to vegetarians as a meat substitute :spy: ... no, don't think about it.
Are corn flakes and veggie burgers sprayed with bleach or other toxic chemicals, due to being so riddled with disease?
Helena Bottemiller of Food Safety News dug up this United Stated Department of Agriculture document [PDF], which lists dozens of chemicals that processors can apply to meat without any labeling requirement. Things like calcium hypochlorite (also used to bleach cotton and clean swimming pools), hypobromous acid (also used as a germicide in hot tubs), DBDMH (or 1,3-dibromo-5,5-dimethylhydantoin, which is also used in water treatment), and chlorine dioxide (also used to bleach wood pulp), to name just a few.
http://grist.org/factory-farms/pink-sli ... rial-meat/
The dirt: Even a little ground chuck can make you upchuck. When USDA inspectors last tested hamburger meat, they looked at 563 sources nationwide and discovered Clostridium perfringens in 53 percent of the batches, Staphylococcus in 30 percent, and Listeria monocytogenes in 12 percent. Interestingly, the USDA found no trace of Escherichia coli 0157:H7, a.k.a. E. coli, one of the desperadoes of foodborne illness. Despite this finding, if slaughterhouse safeguards fail (and they sometimes do), E. coli could potentially pop up in your next patty.

At the supermarket: Choose ground cow that's been nuked. "Find a grocery store that sells irradiated ground beef," says Donald W. Schaffner, Ph.D., an extension specialist in food science at Rutgers University. The package will bear the words "treated by irradiation." Schaffner gives the safety of the treatment a glowing review: "The amount of induced radioactivity is 200,000 times smaller than the level of radioactivity naturally present in all foods."
http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/10- ... ure-eating
Pink slime is also made from spraying scalding hot water to remove the most undesirable parts of an animal possible, if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Santi253 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:42 pm

FallAway wrote: I have always found plenty to eat in a social setting...
Thank you for sharing this. It's much easier to be vegetarian than people often make it out to be.
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