The offense is commited even if the attainment is not announced.ganegaar wrote:...
And i suspect this is tied up with why lay state cant sustain Arahantship as well but this is my speculation.
It doesnt take many Sotapannas for this to happen to many. There are periodically claims of Stream Entry and beyond even on this forum and people are usually quick to scrutinize the person.
I personally fear i may have accured the offense by writing some minor things about Mahasi Sayadaw and i will make ammends by visiting the grave first chance i get, same with Ajahn Mun even tho i know some of what is attributed to him by others is not possible i dont know the man, i wasnt there i didnt hear it from his lips, so i will apologize first chance i get just in case.
As i see it:
Are the Teachers who claim that is impossible for a Sotapanna to break five precepts worthless? Absolutely not!
Can Ariya come to hold wrong view about this? I am inclined to think that it is possible as it has not been proclaimed as impossible.
There is a huge diffrence between lay and monastic state and even some ordinary folk keep some precepts unbroken, i can see how a monastic Sotapanna can be shocked by what a lay Sotapanna might do.
Sotapanna is free from hell states, he recovers quickly from offenses and some things are impossible for him to do.
Kosambiya Sutta is interesting because it details what kind of qualities a Sotapanna is endowed with in 7 superhuman reflections including virtue, discourse is given to monastics, look it up.
Cliffs: Sila of someone endowed with right view explained thus: even tho he may do some evil things, that require disciplinary action, nevertheless he confesses them to the teacher or a wise person.