In my limited experience with Asians, they were exactly the same as Westerners -- them being indirect was an effort to establish supremacy over me. As it later turned out, they never thought of me as some kind of equal or someone to actually be friends with (even though they were the ones coming forward with saying how we're friends and so on). They were simply bossy, passive aggressive, haughty, and with an enormous sense of entitlement.
I assume the Asians you met were in West. That is not usually a typical Asian (I am not a typical Asian just like most of you are not typical Westerners).
Of course Asians are same as Westerners .. we are all homo sapiens after all and have same kind of needs but probably different way of going about it.
The day after CNN showed Arab sheikhs buying Muslim children from Hyderabad, India to be their child brides .. BBC showed pimps buying children and forcing them into prostitution in Los Angeles.
We are all the same .. after all.
chownah wrote:In short it helps to provide social closeness and harmony.
binocular wrote:It's still not clear how it is possible to establish social closeness and harmony with indirectness, at least not in a positive sense. In a negative sense -- sure, tyranny and fear can bring about social closeness and harmony, it's just not a nice kind of social closeness and harmony.
You are interpreting social closeness to mean a commune kind of environment. Chownah did not mean that Asia is a vast kibbutz
. Instead think of Asian society as a gigantic hive mind .. not a good analogy but as close as I could find. The society has a sort of collective spirit (not to mean hundreds walking around with "Refugees Welcome" banner but an underlying order instilled over centuries .. one ant is nothing .. a million will kill ten horses and pick them clean in a day). It is not good to be the dissonant frequency in a hive mind.
In another post I called it social strangulation. It limits the power of individual. Not that Asia lacks genius but that genius is not allowed to fully flower .. Asian society does not believe one man should have the power to change destiny of the world. Change should be gradual and only in small increments.
Asia cannot produce a Karl Marx but a thousand Nagarjunas (founder of the Madhyamaka school of Mahāyāna Buddhism).
Not to mean it as a snarky comment .. see the backlash in West over liberal ideas prevailing for last two decades .. and recent rise of right. Too much change too fast .. before Western society had time to gulp concept of gays being part of mainstream society another idea was introduced .. accept transgenders into mainstream .. Asians believe such drastic changes lead to suffering and lack of social harmony.
From 1989 everyone in West is speculating when Communist Party of China will be tossed over .. it is still there and still strong .. no one wants to be the big enough dissonant voice which upset the apple cart. Not to mean change will not come but gradually .. 40 years back no one imagined China will be what it is today. Make haste slowly is how we live.
Last but not the least .. note how I and Chownah mean one thing by social closeness and harmony and you mean another. To us absence of overt friction is enough to indicate social closeness and harmony.
"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus