Gender and Sexuality report

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Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Will » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:07 pm

Heavy with statistics and psychiatric language, but interesting:

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... -fall-2016
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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by SDC » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:24 pm

Will wrote:Heavy with statistics and psychiatric language, but interesting:

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... -fall-2016
Will, please take moment to give this thread some direction. As per the TOS we are trying to get away from just dropping links and videos with no stated purpose.

What would you like to see discussed? We understand the obvious purpose is to have people read and comment, but we would like a bit more. Just a sentence will suffice.

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by ieee23 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:00 pm

Will wrote:Heavy with statistics and psychiatric language, but interesting:

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... -fall-2016
I skimmed the summary. No disrespect, but what does this article have to do with Buddhism?
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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Will » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:23 pm

ieee23 wrote:
Will wrote:Heavy with statistics and psychiatric language, but interesting:

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... -fall-2016
I skimmed the summary. No disrespect, but what does this article have to do with Buddhism?
This is the Lounge, so it need not be obviously connected to the Dhamma. However, Buddha tried to reduce suffering and the manifold traumas, problems and botheration that sex and gender trigger in many minds is worth considering.
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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by SDC » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:43 pm

Will wrote:
ieee23 wrote:
Will wrote:Heavy with statistics and psychiatric language, but interesting:

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... -fall-2016
I skimmed the summary. No disrespect, but what does this article have to do with Buddhism?
This is the Lounge, so it need not be obviously connected to the Dhamma. However, Buddha tried to reduce suffering and the manifold traumas, problems and botheration that sex and gender trigger in many minds is worth considering.
Will, see my post above. Please provide some direction for this thread.

Once again we are trying to avoid having videos and links dropped without a stated purpose since this has led to sprawling arguments in the past. It is the responsibility of the OP to provide this:
TOS wrote:j) Dhamma Wheel is not a blog site. Since you are not here alone, new topics should invite discussion via questions, suggestions, an introduction, or some other context - especially when the topic may be controversial, or when it does not have an obvious connection to Buddhism...
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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Will » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:51 pm

SDC, Try to just be content with the 'obvious purpose to have people read it and comment'. That is all I had in mind.
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Post by SDC » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:52 pm

Will wrote:SDC, Try to just be content with the 'obvious purpose to have people read it and comment'. That is all I had in mind.
Please be content with TOS and provide at least one sentence to give this thread some direction. Thank you for the third time.

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Will » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:13 pm

SDC wrote:
Will wrote:SDC, Try to just be content with the 'obvious purpose to have people read it and comment'. That is all I had in mind.
Please be content with TOS and provide at least one sentence to give this thread some direction. Thank you for the third time.
The direction of this thread is this: Any reader of all or part of the link in the OP, shall and must only confine their comments to what they think is worth commenting on. If they find nothing of interest, they shall and must write nothing.
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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by SDC » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:34 pm

Thank you for that introduction, Will. ;)

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Justsit » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:57 pm

https://thinkprogress.org/meet-the-doct ... .89kv5esbk

http://transadvocate.com/clinging-to-a- ... _13842.htm

Will, you have made your opinions on this topic clear in several different threads, here and on Dharma Wheel.

What you describe as "interesting" causes suffering for others, myself included, by attempting to negate and denigrate the experiences of transgender persons.

We are, of course, all entitled to our opinions, but perhaps we could just give this subject a rest?

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Will » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:55 pm

Justsit wrote: Will, you have made your opinions on this topic clear in several different threads, here and on Dharma Wheel.

What you describe as "interesting" causes suffering for others, myself included, by attempting to negate and denigrate the experiences of transgender persons.

We are, of course, all entitled to our opinions, but perhaps we could just give this subject a rest?
No need to torture yourself, simply put Will among Foes (see User Control Panel) and do not read the report.

However, for those who do not wish to wade through 100 plus pages of technical lingo, check out the Preface and Executive Summary at least.
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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by retrofuturist » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:00 pm

Greetings,

Topic moved to the News, Current Events and Politics section... if anyone wishes to opt out of this section for reasons of sense restraint or to not be triggered, there's opt out instructions pinned to the top of this section. Thanks all.

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Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by samseva » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:10 am

Paul Davy wrote:...or to not be triggered
Considering the rest of Dhamma Wheel as being a safe space is a bit cringey (not that that was what you were saying, but any reader could interpret it like this).

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by samseva » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:25 am

samseva wrote:
Paul Davy wrote:...or to not be triggered
Considering the rest of Dhamma Wheel as being a safe space is a bit cringey (not that that was what you were saying, but any reader could interpret it like this).
Sorry if the post was a bit direct. That part triggered me. :P

Okay, I'll stop now.

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by retrofuturist » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:41 am

Greetings samseva,

It's not that so much, but we want to encourage people to pro-actively manage their own emotional triggers, rather than having them publicly disrupt conversations with meta-discussion or by blaming others for their feelings of discomfort... both of which have happened in the past.

By containing "political" topics to one section, we can provide the tools to allow people to autonomously manage their own experience and decide what's right for them - so that their triggers do not become everyone else's issue to manage. Hence, the "opt out" function.

All we ask of individual members is that they comply with the Terms of Service. They cannot (nor should they be expected to) prevent other people being triggered by their ToS-compliant words. So don't worry... Dhamma Wheel won't become a hugbox.

Anyhow...

:focus:

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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