AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by cooran » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:48 pm

Hello all,

There was a side discussion at a Retreat I attended late last year with Patrick Kearney. It concerned cetana (intention) and kusala and akusala cittas and vipaka. I asked a question citing my automatic monthly donations to a number of charitable foundations and dhamma centres. I was consciously aware on first implementing the donations and instructing the Bank to make them monthly - but aside from that, have not really thought of them since, except when getting the occasional email about activities the donations support.

It was suggested that I use the Recollections daily - even have a bank statement handy, so I was consciously aware of the dana I was performing. I understand the accumulations of wholesome and unwholesome cittas .... but, I have to say when I do it, it feels a little unusual .... having been brought up in a Society where you donate anonymously and don't 'brag'.

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by kc2dpt » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:43 pm

Chris wrote:I have to say when I do it, it feels a little unusual .... having been brought up in a Society where you donate anonymously and don't 'brag'.
So do it anonymously and don't brag. Neither of these actions is the same as recalling one's own deed in one's own mind. :shrug:
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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by mikenz66 » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:40 pm

Chris wrote: It was suggested that I use the Recollections daily - even have a bank statement handy, so I was consciously aware of the dana I was performing. I understand the accumulations of wholesome and unwholesome cittas .... but, I have to say when I do it, it feels a little unusual .... having been brought up in a Society where you donate anonymously and don't 'brag'.
Chris
Yes, I think Patrick talks about this sort of thing on one of the talks on his website: http://dharmasalon.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
About how dana is a public, not private action.

It used to seem odd to me to see my name, and how much I donated that month, on the noticeboard at the local Wat amongst the other names (mostly in Thai), but I think Patrick is right that some of us do a disservice to ourselves by being embarrassed about dana.

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by Dhammanando » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:16 pm

Hi Mike,
mikenz66 wrote:It used to seem odd to me to see my name, and how much I donated that month, on the noticeboard at the local Wat amongst the other names (mostly in Thai), but I think Patrick is right that some of us do a disservice to ourselves by being embarrassed about dana.
And to others too, for the whole idea of the noticeboard in the wat (and in Thailand the irritating bloke with the microphone yelling out the names of all the donors) is to give people the opportunity to rejoice in the merit made by others, which itself is deemed a meritorious act.

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by Cittasanto » Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:08 pm

Dhammanando wrote:Hi Mike,
mikenz66 wrote:It used to seem odd to me to see my name, and how much I donated that month, on the noticeboard at the local Wat amongst the other names (mostly in Thai), but I think Patrick is right that some of us do a disservice to ourselves by being embarrassed about dana.
And to others too, for the whole idea of the noticeboard in the wat (and in Thailand the irritating bloke with the microphone yelling out the names of all the donors) is to give people the opportunity to rejoice in the merit made by others, which itself is deemed a meritorious act.

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Hi All
Personally it doesn't bother me if my name is published or not for giving Dana, as I see that as a sort of thank-you which is not needed but nice to get!
the only time it has bothered me was when it was more of a congrats for the work you've done, aren't you special type of thing, it was more like an award ceremony than a communal thanks.
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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by rowyourboat » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:25 pm

there is a sutta which talks of building parks and ponds which seem to generate merit for long periods. I always thought my monthly direct debit as something like that! it doesnt matter eventually- the whole point of dana for me atleast is to give rise to wholesome states of mind.
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Post by bodom » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:27 pm

rowyourboat wrote:there is a sutta which talks of building parks and ponds which seem to generate merit for long periods. I always thought my monthly direct debit as something like that! it doesnt matter eventually- the whole point of dana for me atleast is to give rise to wholesome states of mind.
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The perfection of giving is to be practiced by benefiting beings in many ways — by relinquishing one's happiness, belongings, body and life to others, by dispelling their fear, and by instructing them in the Dhamma.

Herein, giving is threefold by way of the object to be given: the giving of material things (amisadana), the giving of fearlessness (abhayadana), and the giving of the Dhamma (dhammadana). Among these, the object to be given can be twofold: internal and external. The external gift is tenfold: food, drink, garments, vehicles, garlands, scents, unguents, bedding, dwellings, and lamps. These gifts, again, become manifold by analyzing each into its constituents, e.g., food into hard food, soft food, etc. The external gift can also become sixfold when analyzed by way of sense objects: visible forms, sounds, smells, tastes, tangibles, and non-sensory objects. The sense objects, such as visible forms, become manifold when analyzed into blue, etc. So too, the external gift is manifold by way of the divers valuables and belongings, such as gems, gold, silver, pearls, coral, etc.; fields, land, parks, etc.; slaves, cows, buffaloes, etc.

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by Dhammanando » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:23 pm

Hi RYB,
rowyourboat wrote:there is a sutta which talks of building parks and ponds which seem to generate merit for long periods.
Even better than that...
  • "Here, if a certain person, while giving a gift, or undertaking the precepts, or observing the uposatha, or setting out drinks and refreshments for the use of passing travellers, or beautifying the area around his home, or worshipping a cetiya, or adorning a cetiya with perfumes and garlands, or circumambulating a cetiya, or engaging in any wholesome kamma belonging to the three planes, does not do so for the sake of a fortunate destiny, or birth, or relinking, or becoming, or wandering in saṃsāra, or continuing in the cycle, then all of these actions tend to the sundering of bonds, and are inclining, tending and sloping towards Nibbāna."
    (Nidd.ii.424)
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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by Cittasanto » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:44 pm

Hi Dhammanando
Dhammanando wrote:Hi RYB,
rowyourboat wrote:there is a sutta which talks of building parks and ponds which seem to generate merit for long periods.
Even better than that...
  • "Here, if a certain person, while giving a gift, or undertaking the precepts, or observing the uposatha, or setting out drinks and refreshments for the use of passing travellers, or beautifying the area around his home, or worshipping a cetiya, or adorning a cetiya with perfumes and garlands, or circumambulating a cetiya, or engaging in any wholesome kamma belonging to the three planes, does not do so for the sake of a fortunate destiny, or birth, or relinking, or becoming, or wandering in saṃsāra, or continuing in the cycle, then all of these actions tend to the sundering of bonds, and are inclining, tending and sloping towards Nibbāna."
    (Nidd.ii.424)
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what is a Cetiya?
and what does relinking mean?

Just wondering not come across those words/ideas before
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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by Dhammanando » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:13 pm

Hi Manapa,
Manapa wrote:Hi Dhammanandowhat is a Cetiya?
and what does relinking mean?
A cetiya (Sanskrit caitya) is about the same as a stupa.

Relinking (paṭisandhi) is the abhidhammic term for the moment of rebirth.

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Post by Cittasanto » Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:09 pm

Hi Bhante,
Dhammanando wrote:Hi Manapa,
Manapa wrote:Hi Dhammanandowhat is a Cetiya?
and what does relinking mean?
A cetiya (Sanskrit caitya) is about the same as a stupa.

Relinking (paṭisandhi) is the abhidhammic term for the moment of rebirth.

Best wishes,
Dhammanando Bhikkhu
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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by mettafuture » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:48 am

I tend to reflect on one of the first 6 recollections daily. Today I contemplated the Devas by reading verses from the Devatāsaṃyutta and Devaputtasaṃyutta of the Saṃyutta Nikāya. I'm surprised The Recollections aren't talked about more considering they the original "meditation objects" prescribed to lay followers.

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by retrofuturist » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:07 pm

Greetings,

Thank you for bumping this topic and allowing me to recollect the recollections!

:twothumbsup:

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by mettafuture » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:51 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

Thank you for bumping this topic and allowing me to recollect the recollections!

:twothumbsup:

Metta,
Retro. :)
No problem.

:hello:

I was going to make a thread about the recollections, but I figured it might be best to just bump an existing one.

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Post by Richard » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:02 pm

I also make use of the Recollections, especially the first. And I am glad when anyone brings them up, because they are roundly ignored by today's meditation industry. The sutta makes it clear that they are serious and useful subjects for meditation, and AN I.30 (or 1.296) says they can lead to enlightenment. There are probably not many who reflect on the devas, and I'm not sure how to go about that myself. But please keep exploring and share your experiences whenver you like.

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