Political Compass

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Which quadrant are your results in?

Authoritarian Left
0
No votes
Libertarian Left
20
77%
Authoritarian Right
1
4%
Libertarian Right
5
19%
 
Total votes: 26

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Political Compass

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:57 am

Greetings,

Where do you sit on the political compass?

Firstly, some well known folk...
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My results...
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You can do the free test here...

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Re: Political Compass

Post by DNS » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:26 am

I'm a centrist just like the Buddha. :tongue: (middle way)

As expected, I came out just right-of-center. I'm a capitalist with some heart. :heart:

Economic Left/Right: 1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97
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Re: Political Compass

Post by BlkMettaCat » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:18 am

I remember taking this before awhile ago. Seems like my results haven't changed much in the last few years.

Economic Left/Right: -7.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
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Re: Political Compass

Post by No_Mind » Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:53 am

Cannot figure out how to upload the image without storing it in an image sharing site.

Score
Economic Left/Right: -7.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.67.

Far left of center as far as economics go and centrist as far as social values go.

It is surprising that I am far left of center. I always thought I believed in capitalism with a heart (and that is how I chose my responses). Of course what might seem left of center in some countries would be viewed as right of center in others but -7.13 on x-axis is leftist with no room for doubt. I cannot be -7.13 on x-axis since I am a strong believer in capitalism. Someone who participated in Occupy Wall Street or sympathized with them would be -7.13. My dream was to be a banker or corporate/tax lawyer (an unfulfilled dream in this life but it remains my goal in next life) which is the polar opposite of OWS movement!! I absolutely do not identify with scruffy participants of OWS (with whom this quiz brackets me).

It did not ask an all important question which is the litmus test for distinguishing between left and right views -- "Capitalism is the only known way to provide sustainable long term economic development" - agree/disagree.

Many questions, such as -- "Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment", are ambiguous; two people may agree but from entirely different motivations. I may want low inflation to help investments grow (thus causing share prices to rise in medium run) and someone else may want low inflation to help keep real wages level (and keep social discontent low). Is it cost push or demand pull inflation that needs controlling? What is high enough inflation is not well defined either .. 4% is considered high inflation in West. .. at 4% inflation newly industrialized countries like India, China will go into recession because it is too low to sustain economic activity in such economies.

In brief, most questions are not well framed. The questions are meant for very narrow wedge of educated middle class in West.

Also how can Gandhi be more liberal than me? He was very religious in his personal life and a celibate from his mid thirties. On other hand, I responded that porn be made legal and that sex outside marriage is fine. Yet I am more authoritarian than him because I said school attendance be made compulsory and that every able bodied person be asked to work?
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Re: Political Compass

Post by Cittasanto » Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:04 am

not changed any since the last time I think.
Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44
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Re: Political Compass

Post by tiltbillings » Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:15 am

No_Mind wrote:In brief, most questions are not well framed. The questions are meant for very narrow wedge of educated middle class in West.

Also how can Gandhi be more liberal than me? He was very religious in his personal life and a celibate from his mid thirties. On other hand, I responded that porn be made legal and that sex outside marriage is fine. Yet I am more authoritarian than him because I said school attendance be made compulsory and that every able bodied person be asked to work?
It seems that this quiz has its own agenda. It comes across as something of a push-poll.
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Re: Political Compass

Post by No_Mind » Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:29 am

From what little I understand of political science, the antonym of authoritarian is democratic not libertarian. Rather glaring error.
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Re: Political Compass

Post by chownah » Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:28 am

I think there is a typo in the headings for the graph. Souldn't the opposite of authoritarian be librarian?

I mean you've got authors and you've got librarians. Authors write INDIVIDUAL books while librarians make COLLECTIONS of books.....what could be more opposite than that?

I hope this is not construed as a viscious attack on someone.
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Re: Political Compass

Post by pulga » Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:48 pm

Just left of center.

Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67

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Re: Political Compass

Post by katavedi » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:33 pm

Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.1

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Re: Political Compass

Post by Bundokji » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:35 pm

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95
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Re: Political Compass

Post by tiltbillings » Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:04 pm

>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Political Compass

Post by DNS » Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:04 pm

No_Mind wrote:From what little I understand of political science, the antonym of authoritarian is democratic not libertarian. Rather glaring error.
That is the case in many instances, though not always. In general the economic scale is the spectrum from socialism to capitalism.

The social scale (vertical) is from authoritarian (iron fist, lots of laws, rules, regulations) and libertarian (few laws, rules and regulations; limited government). In the extreme of authoritarianism, you have fascist regimes. In the extreme of libertarianism you have anarchy.

All extremes are bad, in my opinion.

Democracies tend to have a good balance, but there are some with many laws, rules and regulations (authoritarian). I believe Singapore is one example.

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Re: Political Compass

Post by DNS » Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:34 pm

tiltbillings wrote:A critique of this "test":
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_Compass
I did find the astrology question rather strange. The rationalwiki site has an alternative test linked:
http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/politi ... -quiz.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I scored about the same on the alternative too, with a slightly more libertarian score, but still mostly centrist.

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Re: Political Compass

Post by Cittasanto » Thu Dec 24, 2015 8:13 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:A critique of this "test":
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_Compass
I did find the astrology question rather strange. The rationalwiki site has an alternative test linked:
http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/politi ... -quiz.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I scored about the same on the alternative too, with a slightly more libertarian score, but still mostly centrist.
This test gave me more authoritarian
You are a left social moderate.
Left: -6.12, Authoritarian: 0.7
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Re: Political Compass

Post by BlkMettaCat » Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:44 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:
I did find the astrology question rather strange. The rationalwiki site has an alternative test linked:
http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/politi ... -quiz.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I scored about the same on the alternative too, with a slightly more libertarian score, but still mostly centrist.
Same here. Not too much of a difference
You are a left moderate social libertarian.
Left: 6.64, Libertarian: 2.74
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Re: Political Compass

Post by tiltbillings » Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:13 am

These stupid test are just that, stupid tests.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Political Compass

Post by No_Mind » Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:25 am

David, my main grouse with the test (perhaps not a relevant one) is that the test relates to a very small slice of this world. Such as most Asian liberals (hopefully I am counted as a liberal) would support gay rights and marriage but not accept that they have the right to adopt children.

Armed with this viewpoint, I would have been accepted as a liberal in most US states in 1995 but will be called a conservative (authoritarian?) today. One cannot have a quiz that marks one as authoritarian should one digress slightly from whatever is the current social trend. Rather it should test one on basic commitment to democratic, progressive and secular values and how a person would react to possible changes instead of asking how one would react to current social phenomena (since saying I disagree is the quickest way to be marked as authoritarian on the quiz and internet).

To explore where a person stands vis-a-vis gay rights, a perfect question would have been -- "Do you believe that gay lovemaking scenes should become mainstream in movies and televisions" - agree/disagree. Well, gays endure watching countless hours of heterosexual lovemaking, so it is only fair we also endure the same even if it makes us feel squeamish.

Regarding my objection to adoption - no offence to any forum member who is gay.
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Re: Political Compass

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:33 am

Greetings,
No_Mind wrote:One cannot have a quiz that marks one as authoritarian should one digress slightly from whatever is the current social trend.
It's not so much that, but the will for a deliberate exercising of authority at a society level in order to meet certain goals.

For example, if you're personally against abortion, you can still have a preference to enable others to make their own choices on the matter (i.e. libertarian) or have a preference to enforce said goals upon others through means of authority (i.e. authoritarian). So it's less about the social trends than it is about the appropriate role of the state.

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Re: Political Compass

Post by No_Mind » Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:43 am

Paul Davy wrote:Greetings,
No_Mind wrote:One cannot have a quiz that marks one as authoritarian should one digress slightly from whatever is the current social trend.
It's not so much that, but the deliberate exercising of authority at a social level in order to meet certain goals. For example, if you're personally against abortion, you can still have a preference to enable others to make their own choices (i.e. libertarian) or have a preference to enforce said goals upon others through means of authority (i.e. authoritarian).

Metta,
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But Paul that is exactly what I am saying .. measure our commitment to progressive and democratic values instead of seeking to discover if we are progressive and democratic when measured against context of one particular culture in a particular decade (I gave an example above about gay lovemaking scenes .. I am not gay but would gladly endure gay lovemaking scenes if it makes gays happy).

The ideal way to do so would have been to ask us hypotheticals (at cost of sounding like a broken record .. my question about gay lovemaking). When you ask about trends and phenomena already in play (like gay adoption) the respondent is influenced by considerable external bias in media and elsewhere to respond one way or other.

The quiz on the other hand has many questions framed in absolute terms .. I paraphrase .. -- "Do you support gays have a right to adopt" .. I am not gay and I have objection to gays adopting .. it is asking a question where one has to take a hard stance (on either side) and then marking the respondent who replied in negative as authoritarian.

That is incorrect. I am anything but authoritarian. I believe women should not have to face discrimination or sexual harassment at work (including lurid jokes or subtle sexual innuendos made in their presence), I want gays to have equal rights (except adoption), I want prostitutes to enjoy same rights as any other professional (such as a physiotherapist) and so on (little iffy on legal marijuana because for some it may prove to be a gateway drug).

In same way just because I believe the rich should be taxed more and that global monopolies should face more stringent regulations and that a large corporation can both "do well and do good" does not mean I am not a committed capitalist.
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