Political Compass

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Which quadrant are your results in?

Authoritarian Left
0
No votes
Libertarian Left
20
77%
Authoritarian Right
1
4%
Libertarian Right
5
19%
 
Total votes: 26

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Re: Political Compass

Post by BlkMettaCat » Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:44 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:
I did find the astrology question rather strange. The rationalwiki site has an alternative test linked:
http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/politi ... -quiz.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I scored about the same on the alternative too, with a slightly more libertarian score, but still mostly centrist.
Same here. Not too much of a difference
You are a left moderate social libertarian.
Left: 6.64, Libertarian: 2.74
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Re: Political Compass

Post by tiltbillings » Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:13 am

These stupid test are just that, stupid tests.
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Re: Political Compass

Post by No_Mind » Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:25 am

David, my main grouse with the test (perhaps not a relevant one) is that the test relates to a very small slice of this world. Such as most Asian liberals (hopefully I am counted as a liberal) would support gay rights and marriage but not accept that they have the right to adopt children.

Armed with this viewpoint, I would have been accepted as a liberal in most US states in 1995 but will be called a conservative (authoritarian?) today. One cannot have a quiz that marks one as authoritarian should one digress slightly from whatever is the current social trend. Rather it should test one on basic commitment to democratic, progressive and secular values and how a person would react to possible changes instead of asking how one would react to current social phenomena (since saying I disagree is the quickest way to be marked as authoritarian on the quiz and internet).

To explore where a person stands vis-a-vis gay rights, a perfect question would have been -- "Do you believe that gay lovemaking scenes should become mainstream in movies and televisions" - agree/disagree. Well, gays endure watching countless hours of heterosexual lovemaking, so it is only fair we also endure the same even if it makes us feel squeamish.

Regarding my objection to adoption - no offence to any forum member who is gay.
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Re: Political Compass

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:33 am

Greetings,
No_Mind wrote:One cannot have a quiz that marks one as authoritarian should one digress slightly from whatever is the current social trend.
It's not so much that, but the will for a deliberate exercising of authority at a society level in order to meet certain goals.

For example, if you're personally against abortion, you can still have a preference to enable others to make their own choices on the matter (i.e. libertarian) or have a preference to enforce said goals upon others through means of authority (i.e. authoritarian). So it's less about the social trends than it is about the appropriate role of the state.

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Re: Political Compass

Post by No_Mind » Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:43 am

Paul Davy wrote:Greetings,
No_Mind wrote:One cannot have a quiz that marks one as authoritarian should one digress slightly from whatever is the current social trend.
It's not so much that, but the deliberate exercising of authority at a social level in order to meet certain goals. For example, if you're personally against abortion, you can still have a preference to enable others to make their own choices (i.e. libertarian) or have a preference to enforce said goals upon others through means of authority (i.e. authoritarian).

Metta,
Paul. :)
But Paul that is exactly what I am saying .. measure our commitment to progressive and democratic values instead of seeking to discover if we are progressive and democratic when measured against context of one particular culture in a particular decade (I gave an example above about gay lovemaking scenes .. I am not gay but would gladly endure gay lovemaking scenes if it makes gays happy).

The ideal way to do so would have been to ask us hypotheticals (at cost of sounding like a broken record .. my question about gay lovemaking). When you ask about trends and phenomena already in play (like gay adoption) the respondent is influenced by considerable external bias in media and elsewhere to respond one way or other.

The quiz on the other hand has many questions framed in absolute terms .. I paraphrase .. -- "Do you support gays have a right to adopt" .. I am not gay and I have objection to gays adopting .. it is asking a question where one has to take a hard stance (on either side) and then marking the respondent who replied in negative as authoritarian.

That is incorrect. I am anything but authoritarian. I believe women should not have to face discrimination or sexual harassment at work (including lurid jokes or subtle sexual innuendos made in their presence), I want gays to have equal rights (except adoption), I want prostitutes to enjoy same rights as any other professional (such as a physiotherapist) and so on (little iffy on legal marijuana because for some it may prove to be a gateway drug).

In same way just because I believe the rich should be taxed more and that global monopolies should face more stringent regulations and that a large corporation can both "do well and do good" does not mean I am not a committed capitalist.
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Re: Political Compass

Post by Cittasanto » Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:48 am

David N. Snyder wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:A critique of this "test":
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_Compass
I did find the astrology question rather strange. The rationalwiki site has an alternative test linked:
http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/politi ... -quiz.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I scored about the same on the alternative too, with a slightly more libertarian score, but still mostly centrist.
One thing I liked about this quiz was that it was "two pronged" (for lack of better words) i.e. each question had two aspects, the question itself and the importance of each specific question.

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Re: Political Compass

Post by Cittasanto » Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:18 am

tiltbillings wrote:These stupid test are just that, stupid tests.
and a bit of fun, and something to help understand a particular slant a question or Axis has.
I remember being questioned how I "rationalised" my nationalism with Dhamma, as to some the two are not compatable. People only understood nationalism in one way, and there was no other way.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
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Re: Political Compass

Post by Modus.Ponens » Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:56 am

Cittasanto wrote:not changed any since the last time I think.
Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44
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I did this questionaire and obtained something very close to this.

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Re: Political Compass

Post by Modus.Ponens » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:07 am

Cittasanto wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:These stupid test are just that, stupid tests.
and a bit of fun, and something to help understand a particular slant a question or Axis has.
I remember being questioned how I "rationalised" my nationalism with Dhamma, as to some the two are not compatable. People only understood nationalism in one way, and there was no other way.

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I suspect Tiltbillings took the test and discovered
he's a right wing authoritarian. Or the chart was just a picture of Grumpy Cat.
Muahahahaha!!
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Re: Political Compass

Post by tiltbillings » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:01 am

Modus.Ponens wrote:
Cittasanto wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:These stupid test are just that, stupid tests.
and a bit of fun, and something to help understand a particular slant a question or Axis has.
I remember being questioned how I "rationalised" my nationalism with Dhamma, as to some the two are not compatable. People only understood nationalism in one way, and there was no other way.

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Cittasanto
I suspect Tiltbillings took the test and discovered
he's a right wing authoritarian. Or the chart was just a picture of Grumpy Cat.
Muahahahaha!!

JK
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Re: Political Compass

Post by Aloka » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:02 am

I can't understand the point of having polls & tests like this, especially as the media is already saturated with politics and suchlike on a daily basis.

However maybe my lack of understanding and not finding it 'fun' is because of my inferior kamma as
a mere woman..... :rolleye:


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Re: Political Compass

Post by Ben » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:59 am

Aloka wrote:I can't understand the point of having polls & tests like this, especially as the media is already saturated with politics and suchlike on a daily basis.

However maybe my lack of understanding and not finding it 'fun' is because of my inferior kamma as
a mere woman..... :rolleye:


Enjoy the rest of your Xmas weekend, dear readers.

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You're not the only one that doesn't find it fun or particularly relevant, Aloka.
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Re: Why are far-right political views so predominant on DW?

Post by DNS » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:32 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:12 am
limited role for government - probably not buddhist; while buddhism would not support big govt, it does support govt rather than law of the jungle

limited social programs - yes & no buddhist; buddhism supports self-reliance but also a charity safety net

promoting traditional social values - very buddhist

authoritarian or otherwise exclusive style of conservative government - can be buddhist, such as universal monarch

anti-immigration - can be buddhist, since buddhism teaches to preserve culture - most buddhist countries are anti-immigration

anti-abortion - definitely buddhist

anti-PC - definitely buddhist since right speech is not PC

anti-liberal - definitely buddhist; DN 31 says a liberal is a bad companion

Nazism was militaristic, therefore non-Buddhist

however, Nazism was family, community & nation orientated & anti-usury, which was Buddhist

Buddhism is against sexual liberalism, promiscuity, abortion, etc.

Buddhism encourages self-reliance rather than dependence of govt charity, even though buddhism supports a charity safety-net
Interesting analysis of politics related to the Dhamma. I agree with much of what you wrote, though not all of it. And I am sure you could find Sutta support for your views. So do you classify yourself as a conservative? Where do you land on the political compass quadrants?

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Re: Why are far-right political views so predominant on DW?

Post by DooDoot » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:01 pm

DNS wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:32 pm
. So do you classify yourself as a conservative? Where do you land on the political compass quadrants?
Thanks David.

The political compass & definitions of non-Americans probably does not match the political compass & definitions used by Americans, which dominate the internet space. For example, in Australia, I am definitely not a 'conservative' since the Conservative LNP Party here always is dead last on my voting list. I actually don't follow or get involved in politics very much, apart from an obvious concern about US-Zionist foreign policy.

However, since the Trump election I have developed both an awareness of & opposition to the US left wing in relation to Buddhism because:

1. The US-Buddhist-left-wing, in embracing its narcissistic self-interests, supports a militaristic government & generally has no awareness of the international actions of the Obama-Hillary govt.

2. The US-Buddhist-left-wing supports abortion (aka 'womens reproductive rights'), which is a misrepresentation & hijacking of Buddhism. Note: I am personally politically neutral about abortion however I think Buddhism should not be hijacked by American liberals.

3. The US-Buddhist-left-wing supports feminism, homosexuality, unregulated immigration, which is a misrepresentation & hijacking of Buddhism. Buddhism obviously does not support feminism (which is against family values & is a corporate ideology); Buddhism offers the gift of safety to homosexuals, which does not mean Buddhism endorses everything homosexuals do or promotes homosexuality as a lifestyle; Buddhism obviously supports the rule of law, which includes appropriate immigration laws & policies. For example, during the Vietnam & Cambodian Wars, Thailand did not accept any refugees but only transferred refugees for resettlement elsewhere. In the history of the USA, my research has found the more open immigration policies of the USA have been historically pushed by the Jewish lobby, since diversity helps Jewish causes in the USA.

4. Interestingly, I recently have come to an awareness that much of US liberal culture is Jewish in origins (diversity, 2nd wave feminism, Hollywood, pornography, etc); which would also explain the predominance of liberalism in American-Buddhism, which also has significant Jewish origins.

As an Australian, my political background is:

1. Understanding of how Australia began as a convict settlement, which was a result of the cruelty of laissez-faire capitalism (unlike the USA).

2. How Australia quickly evolved away the British class-system via workers rights & appropriate wages (unlike the USA).

3. How Australia (once) had a relatively uncorrupt & representative govt system, which did not include political bribery (unlike the USA).

4. How Australia (once) had well utilized a taxation system for the benefit of the Australia people (unlike the USA).

5. How Australians have been used in British & American wars, which many Australians are naturally against.

6. While Australia was a British colony, due to the convict & Irish origins, many Australians are against colonialism.

Therefore, my left-wing political tendencies are generally about economics & foreign policy (rather than American-Jewish left-wing feminism, LGBT, abortion, cultural diversity, immigration, etc). I believe via proven experience in the role of government regulation of private industry; taxation; government provision of essential services such as health, education, public transport, utilities, etc; fair rather than free trade; compatible immigration policies. I don't believe in imperialistic wars, such as the Vietnam, Iraq, Libyan, Syrian & (hoped for) Iran War. I don't believe in colonialism, including the colonisation of Palestine (which continues to grow). I believe in family, community & thus nation, even though Australia, similar to the USA, does not really have a strong sense of community & nation, which is why these nations (unlike say Thailand, Israel, Syria or once Germany) do little to prevent their loss of nationhood. I suppose since Americans & Australians got something for nothing via mere colonisation or invasion, they do not really cherish what they have but are willing to sell what they have to the highest bidder.

As for feminism, LGBT, etc, I have always been against (2nd wave) feminism since I believe it harms women, tremendously. LGBT I am neutral about. I have always supported the non-discrimination of LGBT but do not support the current LGBT imposition onto mainstream values. The word 'dharma' means to 'support or preserve'. On a social level, Buddhism 'supports preserves or protects' LGBT but on a larger cosmic level LGBT does not preserve or support the continuance of human society because it is not about reproduction & families but is largely a form of naricissism, similar to heterosexual hedonism.

To conclude, as an Australian, my political compass is generally not the political compass Judaic intellectuals & mass media have largely created for the American public. As Australians, our political compass is not dominated by Jewish narratives.

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Re: Why are far-right political views so predominant on DW?

Post by DNS » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:28 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:01 pm
To conclude, as an Australian, my political compass is generally not the political compass Judaic intellectuals & mass media have largely created for the American public. As Australians, our political compass is not dominated by Jewish narratives.
Okay, now that you explain in greater detail your political positions, perhaps we don't have that much in common, except that we're both anti-war, anti-imperialism. I'm libertarian-center-right whereas you're all over the place.

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You're right it's hard to place you on the compass; you're left on some things, right wing on others, authoritarian on social issues, conspiracies on some things; I guess we need a new category for you. :tongue:

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